#speakyourmind I saw you around thealliance for awhile and kept my distance from you because it seems that all you want to do is stir up a pot of something. I tried to read this post and can't come to the same conclusions as you did- you are really grasping at straws here. I am going to continue to distance myself from your views.
I hope I don't always seem to be stirring up the pot. I know I have a very abrasive personality, but always? Damn.
Anyways, there are a lot of points made in this post and I am curious to which views you want to distance yourself from. I can agree that there may be some points that might be strawmen (perpetrators of logical fallacies typically find difficult in identifying their own fallacies), so I do encourage you to elaborate a little bit more.
Yeah always. It's been showing itself all day. You just want to play victim cards and meddle in business that isn't any of yours. And now you want to try and capitalize off it by posting about your victim status and your hyperbolic, histrionic nonsense.
The two of you have lost a career politician with years of practice and experience in real world politics to support you in finding an end to these flag wars
What are you,12? Did you win the school president gig or something? Son, I was working on capital hill for the president of the united states, several cabinet members and congressional appointees, congressmen and senators, when you were in PRESCHOOL, so yeah, keep talking, it's so pedantic, it's actually become amusing. Also, you must have started your career before finishing school, because your spelling, grammar and punctuation, are ALL atrocious. Dismal, really, and you had such high hopes for yourself too.
I read this with an open mind to se what you se. Just that no matter how many times I read it I just can't se it as you do or the conclusion you do. I think you se what you want to se and don't really Read what's been said. I never had much interaction with you as I never really could figure out what you were after.... But in my opinion #thealliance is a family of amazing people who loves and support each other as for the leader and witnesses who does much. sorry you can't se that. Just my opinion as I'm in the right to have one to.
not wraps them into a bull shit flag war and slings mud at every point without restraining between two comments to make another insult.You're right, the #Alliance is a group of amazing people, but family they are not. They treat you great until you voice a political stance that differs from their own and potentially damages their pocketbooks. After you cross that line, they toss you under the bus and treat you like shit. That's not how a family acts. A family works with differing opinions
That is creating extra toxicity in an already toxic environment.
As per not seeing any conclusions, call me an angry triggered SJW, but I believe some words hold a socio-political context that ought to be avoided. If you disagree, I know it is a minority opinion to be socially liberal on a platform dominated by anarcho-cappys and I respect your opinion. I disagree with them, but I can respect them.
I have never come across those things you talk about and I've been in this family since late August last year. I have always felt like I can speak my mind and always been respected an loved for who I am. That's why I joined in the first place the vision of family and acceptance for who you are.
I can't speak for others but for me it really is a family and I love the people in it.
I know it's impossible for everyone to have the same opinions in all things but as long as we respect each other that's what counts.
Im in it to stay and have met so many amazing people that has changed my life for the better. They are all in the family and that says it all to me anyway.
Not to mention, I simply didn't get any feeling of welcomeness even before we had any drama. During the Sunday chats, I always felt like it was more of a hangout of the core members and I didn't feel enouraged to speak and if I did, I felt I was either ignored or dismissed.
Again, that was my experience and I am glad that yours is different. The family is not for everyone and I have a certain abrasive personality that certainly didn't click well with them and I can truly recognize that. I'm not taking complete responsibility there, but it would be unfair to not mention it.
The manner in which you went after shoving the steemplus extension was but one small example of poor behaviour on your part. You didn't bother doing the intelligent thing and engaging in discussion about the features it had and how you found them making your life easier.
You approached it as, I like this and you should too. What's your problem that you aren't jumping right on this? ... it was only after some push back on your overbearing conduct that you even disclosed you had a vested interest in getting people interested in it. Any distrust at that point wasn't aimed at the developer, it was about you and how you had put people off from even being interested.
As for accusing @enginewitty of being sexist. At best that is grasping at straws. As a woman who has experienced and witnessed plenty of sexist behaviour in her time, the last thing that he is is sexist. As much as Corky's tone can be rough at times, he too is respectful of women. Interesting that I never got that same level or tone of respect from you.
Intentionally, or unintentionally, you present yourself as a self-serving, overbearing individual. It's not surprising that you are not welcome with open arms. Generally people like yourself become an acquired taste. I rather suspect thealliance is not the only place you have experienced that. It's not too late though, some self-awareness and willingness to adjust your behaviour would help you in the future.
Well written shadow couldn't say it better myself.That is really true @enginewitty is as far away from a sexist and he does nothing but support and being a true friend for us all and rather than being one I say he's more of a person that protects you from It. Best person there is and doesn't deserve to be treated badly.
My approach went sour because you guys started accusing a top 100 witness with MSP sponsorship and a highly respected steemian of attempted theft. That pissed me off. It wasn't about the extension, it is that you guys attacked a buddy of mine and I am very defensive.
no one accused your buddy of theft... you were taken to task for your high handed manner and lack of transparency and as per normal you twisted into bs to avoid taking any personal responsibility for your actions.
I rather suspect thealliance is not the only place you have experienced that.
Nope, I also have issue with the SPL community for similar reasons. You had a witness that sponsors it that attacked MSP and MSP witnesses. If you attack someone I care about, you know I will be ready to defend them. That's not an issue with me, that's an issue of the attacker. You should have the dignity not to make baseless attacks against people. That's toxic and lends towards tribalism. I willingly left SPL because I didn't want to participate in an SPL vs MSP tribalism.
If you attack someone I care about, you know I will be ready to defend them.
On the sneaky grumpy thing, the situation is that you have a someone having a conflict with someone you consider to be family, and you did not take the action of defense. Instead, you took the action of supporting the attacker by becoming an attacker yourself.
If there was a bully picking on my brother, and my brother and I got in a fight, I can't see any situation in which I would run to that bully for protection or retaliation...that's not how families deal with things.
And maybe that's the thing. Maybe you're not really interested in a family type environment. In order to be successful in such a situation, you have to be willing to be accepting of everybody as they are, even if you are a contrarian (which I sense you may be). Being a contrarian, you also have to express that acceptance a bit more than others because going at people the way you do cools relationships.
We are a group of vastly different and distinct individuals with vastly different views and beliefs. There are no rules regarding viewpoints on any subject that I know about. In fact, the only rule I know about is that we actively support each other to the best of our abilities. To be truthful, I'm not entirely sure how you feel about that requirement.
It's sad you felt that way and I guess we are all different, but that is what I think is so great about #thealliance family as I belive its the diffences that makes us strong and the acceptans of each other and support. It's a big family and we can't be close to everyone but still show your support. I agree that the family isn't for everyone and I joined just cause of the reason it wasn't like any other but a family and I was blown away by the talents and amazing people in there. And I have always felt welcome from day one. Sad that you never felt welcome or included. Did you ever tried to say exactly how you felt? Tried to really get to know people for real? All I saw when you were in chat was all about unpersonal stuff and about profit etc... Never saw another side of you so I thought you were one of those that only cared about the money and how to get most out of different things. Actually I asked you once in chat about it but I don't know if you didn't se it or ignored me..... Mabye that can happen not attentionally but its easy to miss and doesn't mean you are being ignored. Make sence?
See? People got an entirely wrong perception of me, then when you have that initial interpretation of someone, anything else just feeds into that image. I can't help it if someone perceives me as a money groggy person and continues to get that impersonation because it is simply confirmed bias.
I did reach out to a few people and got to know them quite well or at least somewhat well and I love them a lot. @Moeknows and (I would have to search through my resteems to find the others but one of them always posts a sketch of himself in comments. He was dope) but I never felt the server was a good place to do this. It was a lot easier to find people on the platform.
I believe this is because of something you mentioned. The family is getting too big. This is just a facet of social behavior. If things get too big, then people that aren't "basic" or aren't bubbly and the common denominator, i.e. people with abrasive personalities like myself have a harder time to fit in and we get shoved to the wall.
I felt the best time for the #Alliance was when we had different syndicates. Then, it was small enough in each server to actually get to know people but as soon as we all converged into one main one, things started to distance for me.
Thereby, when he wants to destroy any diplomatic attempts to end flag wars, he believes the flag war should continue. But, why wouldn't he want the fag war to continue? It serves to his benefits. He can manipulate people to support him by being the war hawk on steemit. He doesn't have to advocate peace.
I see the word sexist being thrown around...well maybe kind of ironic as it seems a little homophobic with your diatribe above.
Just sayin'
P.S. Btw, don't be a "pussy" by being offended by the word "pussy". Just a figure of speech ( not sexist) where someone calls another person for doing egregious things ( which I think has been the case with the Grumpster)
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#speakyourmind I saw you around thealliance for awhile and kept my distance from you because it seems that all you want to do is stir up a pot of something. I tried to read this post and can't come to the same conclusions as you did- you are really grasping at straws here. I am going to continue to distance myself from your views.
I hope I don't always seem to be stirring up the pot. I know I have a very abrasive personality, but always? Damn.
Anyways, there are a lot of points made in this post and I am curious to which views you want to distance yourself from. I can agree that there may be some points that might be strawmen (perpetrators of logical fallacies typically find difficult in identifying their own fallacies), so I do encourage you to elaborate a little bit more.
Yeah always. It's been showing itself all day. You just want to play victim cards and meddle in business that isn't any of yours. And now you want to try and capitalize off it by posting about your victim status and your hyperbolic, histrionic nonsense.
Good luck with that.
The two of you have lost a career politician with years of practice and experience in real world politics to support you in finding an end to these flag wars
What are you,12? Did you win the school president gig or something? Son, I was working on capital hill for the president of the united states, several cabinet members and congressional appointees, congressmen and senators, when you were in PRESCHOOL, so yeah, keep talking, it's so pedantic, it's actually become amusing. Also, you must have started your career before finishing school, because your spelling, grammar and punctuation, are ALL atrocious. Dismal, really, and you had such high hopes for yourself too.
yep, you are actually at most about 17? LOL
Wow. That lifetime career though.
Poor delusional child.
The 1940s called. They want their clothes back.
I read this with an open mind to se what you se. Just that no matter how many times I read it I just can't se it as you do or the conclusion you do. I think you se what you want to se and don't really Read what's been said. I never had much interaction with you as I never really could figure out what you were after.... But in my opinion #thealliance is a family of amazing people who loves and support each other as for the leader and witnesses who does much. sorry you can't se that. Just my opinion as I'm in the right to have one to.
not wraps them into a bull shit flag war and slings mud at every point without restraining between two comments to make another insult.You're right, the #Alliance is a group of amazing people, but family they are not. They treat you great until you voice a political stance that differs from their own and potentially damages their pocketbooks. After you cross that line, they toss you under the bus and treat you like shit. That's not how a family acts. A family works with differing opinions
That is creating extra toxicity in an already toxic environment.
As per not seeing any conclusions, call me an angry triggered SJW, but I believe some words hold a socio-political context that ought to be avoided. If you disagree, I know it is a minority opinion to be socially liberal on a platform dominated by anarcho-cappys and I respect your opinion. I disagree with them, but I can respect them.
I have never come across those things you talk about and I've been in this family since late August last year. I have always felt like I can speak my mind and always been respected an loved for who I am. That's why I joined in the first place the vision of family and acceptance for who you are.
I can't speak for others but for me it really is a family and I love the people in it.
I know it's impossible for everyone to have the same opinions in all things but as long as we respect each other that's what counts.
Im in it to stay and have met so many amazing people that has changed my life for the better. They are all in the family and that says it all to me anyway.
Not to mention, I simply didn't get any feeling of welcomeness even before we had any drama. During the Sunday chats, I always felt like it was more of a hangout of the core members and I didn't feel enouraged to speak and if I did, I felt I was either ignored or dismissed.
Again, that was my experience and I am glad that yours is different. The family is not for everyone and I have a certain abrasive personality that certainly didn't click well with them and I can truly recognize that. I'm not taking complete responsibility there, but it would be unfair to not mention it.
The manner in which you went after shoving the steemplus extension was but one small example of poor behaviour on your part. You didn't bother doing the intelligent thing and engaging in discussion about the features it had and how you found them making your life easier.
You approached it as, I like this and you should too. What's your problem that you aren't jumping right on this? ... it was only after some push back on your overbearing conduct that you even disclosed you had a vested interest in getting people interested in it. Any distrust at that point wasn't aimed at the developer, it was about you and how you had put people off from even being interested.
As for accusing @enginewitty of being sexist. At best that is grasping at straws. As a woman who has experienced and witnessed plenty of sexist behaviour in her time, the last thing that he is is sexist. As much as Corky's tone can be rough at times, he too is respectful of women. Interesting that I never got that same level or tone of respect from you.
Intentionally, or unintentionally, you present yourself as a self-serving, overbearing individual. It's not surprising that you are not welcome with open arms. Generally people like yourself become an acquired taste. I rather suspect thealliance is not the only place you have experienced that. It's not too late though, some self-awareness and willingness to adjust your behaviour would help you in the future.
Well written shadow couldn't say it better myself.That is really true @enginewitty is as far away from a sexist and he does nothing but support and being a true friend for us all and rather than being one I say he's more of a person that protects you from It. Best person there is and doesn't deserve to be treated badly.
I just want to be clear that I never accused Justin of any sexism.
I never accused @enginewitty of being sexist. I accused SirCork of being sexist for using sexist language.
news flash genius... when you accuse thealliance of being sexist you are accusing enginewitty... sircork is a member not the owner.
My approach went sour because you guys started accusing a top 100 witness with MSP sponsorship and a highly respected steemian of attempted theft. That pissed me off. It wasn't about the extension, it is that you guys attacked a buddy of mine and I am very defensive.
no one accused your buddy of theft... you were taken to task for your high handed manner and lack of transparency and as per normal you twisted into bs to avoid taking any personal responsibility for your actions.
Nope, I also have issue with the SPL community for similar reasons. You had a witness that sponsors it that attacked MSP and MSP witnesses. If you attack someone I care about, you know I will be ready to defend them. That's not an issue with me, that's an issue of the attacker. You should have the dignity not to make baseless attacks against people. That's toxic and lends towards tribalism. I willingly left SPL because I didn't want to participate in an SPL vs MSP tribalism.
On the sneaky grumpy thing, the situation is that you have a someone having a conflict with someone you consider to be family, and you did not take the action of defense. Instead, you took the action of supporting the attacker by becoming an attacker yourself.
If there was a bully picking on my brother, and my brother and I got in a fight, I can't see any situation in which I would run to that bully for protection or retaliation...that's not how families deal with things.
And maybe that's the thing. Maybe you're not really interested in a family type environment. In order to be successful in such a situation, you have to be willing to be accepting of everybody as they are, even if you are a contrarian (which I sense you may be). Being a contrarian, you also have to express that acceptance a bit more than others because going at people the way you do cools relationships.
We are a group of vastly different and distinct individuals with vastly different views and beliefs. There are no rules regarding viewpoints on any subject that I know about. In fact, the only rule I know about is that we actively support each other to the best of our abilities. To be truthful, I'm not entirely sure how you feel about that requirement.
hey, now JP... careful there.
SPL doesn't have negative feelings or opinions about MSP, please be clear.
It's sad you felt that way and I guess we are all different, but that is what I think is so great about #thealliance family as I belive its the diffences that makes us strong and the acceptans of each other and support. It's a big family and we can't be close to everyone but still show your support. I agree that the family isn't for everyone and I joined just cause of the reason it wasn't like any other but a family and I was blown away by the talents and amazing people in there. And I have always felt welcome from day one. Sad that you never felt welcome or included. Did you ever tried to say exactly how you felt? Tried to really get to know people for real? All I saw when you were in chat was all about unpersonal stuff and about profit etc... Never saw another side of you so I thought you were one of those that only cared about the money and how to get most out of different things. Actually I asked you once in chat about it but I don't know if you didn't se it or ignored me..... Mabye that can happen not attentionally but its easy to miss and doesn't mean you are being ignored. Make sence?
See? People got an entirely wrong perception of me, then when you have that initial interpretation of someone, anything else just feeds into that image. I can't help it if someone perceives me as a money groggy person and continues to get that impersonation because it is simply confirmed bias.
I did reach out to a few people and got to know them quite well or at least somewhat well and I love them a lot. @Moeknows and (I would have to search through my resteems to find the others but one of them always posts a sketch of himself in comments. He was dope) but I never felt the server was a good place to do this. It was a lot easier to find people on the platform.
I believe this is because of something you mentioned. The family is getting too big. This is just a facet of social behavior. If things get too big, then people that aren't "basic" or aren't bubbly and the common denominator, i.e. people with abrasive personalities like myself have a harder time to fit in and we get shoved to the wall.
I felt the best time for the #Alliance was when we had different syndicates. Then, it was small enough in each server to actually get to know people but as soon as we all converged into one main one, things started to distance for me.
I see the word sexist being thrown around...well maybe kind of ironic as it seems a little homophobic with your diatribe above.
Just sayin'
P.S. Btw, don't be a "pussy" by being offended by the word "pussy". Just a figure of speech ( not sexist) where someone calls another person for doing egregious things ( which I think has been the case with the Grumpster)
Thanks for catching the typo :D I meant to say flag.
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