The Real Truth about Censorship on Social Medias

in #censorship5 years ago (edited)

Do you want Blockchain/DLT to finally give freedom of speech to the entire world? Do you believe freedom of speech this is a good thing and will help us in the long-run?

If you answered yes to both questions, then you can keep on reading. If you answered no to either question, please don't forget to downvote me before moving to another content, but please don't leave a comment.

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Because you don't do a damn thing about spammers.
You said yourself, you don't give a damn and you won't stop them.

Great example

By the way, what happened to this?

@joe.public didn't do what you claim you oppose. Quit censoring accounts without good reason. Quit censoring @joe.public.

I think there are some points that can be discussed or clarified:

  1. Sharing part of a private chat without asking for permission is probably not going to be good for our future Discord chats ;) ...nothing wrong with the small image you shared, but next time just ask before posting.
  2. Not sure if you did this on purpose or if you have not understood what I wrote in the chat ...either way ...going open source is not 'too risky' from a code point of view, but from a business point of view. I don't want people to fork the project or spin up multiple peakd/steempeak clones just because it's easy to do it when others have done all the hard work for you.
  3. There is a recent post by @themarkymark that can easily show the benefit of those blacklists. Not saying that we have a perfect solution, but still a solution is needed.
  4. There is no content hidden by peakd.com (marker yes, content no). Content is filtered in the Hivemind nodes using some hardcoded lists. This is not up to @peakd and you can always setup a full RPC node with Hivemind and don't use those lists if you want. Will be up to the users to select and use your node and this way all the content will be shown.

"...you can always setup a full RPC node with Hivemind..."

Back on Earth, where we users are far less capable of implementing censorship resistance than is Peakd, I reckon Peakd doing so would gain it market share.

I asked for comment from Peakd team members on the censorship of @joe.public, and did not get any. I didn't tag your account. Do you have any comment regarding @joe.public being API censored without any justification other than his opposition to Bernie's spam and having annoyed @themarkymark?

I am confident that if Peakd doesn't setup a full RPC node that is immune to the hardcoded lists, it will lose customers to the first UI that does. Censorship resistance is a strong reason folks come to Hive. It is the only reason I came to Steem and migrated to Hive.

API censorship is a threat that will be surmounted. Don't be left in the dust when it is.

I asked for comment from Peakd team members on the censorship of @joe.public, and did not get any.

Because it's not peakd that is censoring the content. The nodes have some build-in filter for some accounts so we just don't get the data for some of them.

Do you have any comment regarding @joe.public being API censored without any justification other than his opposition to Bernie's spam and having annoyed @themarkymark?

The account have been added to the list before Hive ...and we don't review all the account added to the list by other parties.

I am confident that if Peakd doesn't setup a full RPC node that is immune to the hardcoded lists, it will lose customers to the first UI that does

Setting up a full node and running the frontend on that node will create a very centralized system (similar to what you have now on Steem). The opposite of what we are trying to do.
Right now we have a frontend that can be powered by different backend nodes so the choice is up to our users and the number of available node options.

I appreciate your reply. I did not think or imply that Peakd had control of the hardcode, and am disappointed you did not vigorously oppose that censorship, but you are free to speak your mind as you will.

Using nodes that are censored is not increasing decentralization, while running your own node does strongly decentralize because it prevents that centralized censorship the other nodes effect. It is disingenuous to claim otherwise. Increasing node options by just one would go a long ways to preventing @themarkymark from being the sole arbiter of who gets to post on Peakd, and that will strongly oppose that centralization of power on Hive.

You are free to support that censorship if that is your actual opinion. I do not recommend obfuscating such support with disingenuity that deprecates your integrity, however. Stating that adding a node that doesn't censor Hive accounts is centralizing is not factually correct, and reduces confidence in your veracity.

Inaccurate as usual, I am not the sole arbiter and on Steem I had zero control and only could make suggestions.

This, AFAIK, is the first mention of this. You appear now to be the sole party in control of censorship. You do not now make it clear what limitations on that power exist, nor any other details.

This statement, as much as it might surprise you to learn, does not greatly comfort me that all is well regarding Hive censorship policy being open and transparent.

What possible good reason is there to hide who is doing what regarding censorship?

Things done in darkness tempt folks to moral hazard, and then, when the light is shone on their acts, their shame is revealed for all to see. Do not let that happen to you.

Make censorship a public process on Hive, to protect Hive from power to censor wielded in darkness. You know you would oppose any other wielding the power to censor in secret you now appear to wield at your sole option.

I oppose it being done without the light of public review, and that is what is best for Hive.

Do the right thing, insofar as you have power to do it.

You are like a broken record with lots of scratches (inaccuracies). Like I said, I am not the sole person responsible. Go bark up some other tree.

The blockchain is still decentralized in a sense that you can always create your own frontend and decide how to display the content if another one has gone evil. It would just take more time to create. If it was open source it would be a lot easier to just clone it and remove the blacklist but some people don't want others to easily copy code that they spent time, money and effort to create.

Another issue with open source is that if people know how the algorithm works, they will just game the system instead of focus on creating good content and organic growth.

Freedom can never overcome it’s owne expectations. It will always peak in full disorientation and sacrifices community ambitions over all out chaos.

And yet, it was chaos that was reshaped into order, which created everything. With that we defied the possibility to become even more, but also made our potential utilizable.

So here we are, 3D Beasts trapped in a Universe way bigger then our brains will ever be able to comprehend. F’ckn, consuming or sleeping most of the time.

I personally thrive with more order and in simplicity, while also trapping myself within my own borders forever, if I don’t let the anarchism happen often enough.

That makes me belive, that we have to willingly cut freedoms to empower our communities while pushing for more freedom to develop a great future. A global society of free bodys, minds and maybe even souls.

The most important questions are yet to be asked and the most important answer never to be given. It is essentially the level of freedom that has to rise, to be able to sustain greatness within our communities. That is a reality which we all have to face.

I will not finish this thought here. You will have to add Blacklists and Sourcecode and yourself to this.

This is just my point of view for tonight.

Have a nice Easter Weekend everyone!

actually repost this to foster communication


i appreciate your work for freedom of speech as you had the first video platform on steem. As you took down the christchurch shooting videos (for nsfw marker) i was pretty disappointed as this was content the world had demand for. Dtube now is a not scaling IPFS "uncensored" platform that "forgets" videos after half a year because there is no monetary incentive to maintain storage.

  • thumbs up for BTFS
  • i made a reupload on dtube, so australia dns should not have been a problem
  • who are these "people" who have a saying what YOU should censor/take down on dtube?
  • on a decentralized video platform it should not be a stance what ONE person THINKS has demand or not

I read a lot the last days before I decided to buy HIVE on an exchange.

When I read this and the article about the fact that a central authority is pulling the strings again, I wonder if my decision is right.

As a new user, should you now power up Hive or would you advise against it and not use Steem or Hive?

Well, well,

There's no single central authority pulling any strings. Some accounts have higher power than the others, but as far as I know, the whale users don't love each other too much. Especially the other whales are not serving another whale, and all of them are individuals.

That ensures that things won't turn out like they did on Steem :)

Enjoy Hive and don't stress, there's better things to do than worry about whales.

And I thought I might get a meaningful answer. :D