Dtube's Fatal Flaw

in #dtube7 years ago

In many ways, Dtube is everything that I wish YouTube was. However, more and more, I am coming up against the fatal flaw of Dtube. A feature that is so broken that it nearly ruins the entire experience of the website. I speak of the Dtube uploader. To call it garbage is to insult garbage.

I would like you to look at two exhibits. The same video, uploaded to YouTube and Dtube at the same time. Just behold the difference in progress.

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In a video comparing youtube and Dtube, I said the Dtube uploader is 3 to 4 times slower than the YouTube uploader. I was wrong. It’s got to be more like 10 times slower on an average day.

I am not pointing this out as a Dtube hater. I love the platform. And I think if they could fix this one fatal flaw, it would be the YouTube killer that the creators of the world have long hungered for.

I know that there are probably very compelling reasons why Dtubes uploader is so slow. I just don’t care what they are. The reasons don’t matter. Only the user experience matters. And what we are experiencing is an intolerably slow uploader that is often buggy and unreliable.

I have other grievances with Dtube, but this is the major one. This is 90% of what I don’t like about Dtube. And it’s a real shame, because there’s so very much that I do like about the platform. I hope that they can solve this issue in the near future. I can tell you that if I were them, it would be my absolute top priority by an order of magnitude.

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Also I've found that it save a bunch of time if I upload my video to YouTube then download the MP4 from YouTube and upload that MP4 to DTube. Most of the compression is already done and DTube doesn't have to do much more work.

I've been doing that but I find the video quality can be visibly lower than the source upload (there's a bit of blurriness at larger sizes).

Same problem here, My original exported video never works when trying to upload it to Dtube- only when I download my HD video from Youtube can i then use that file to upload to Dtube.

Have you encountered any solutions for the "Error uploading to the blockchain" message? I'm trying to upload my first Dtube video and I can't seem to figure what the hell I'm doing wrong. I've tinkered with just about every variable, yet nothing works.

I had that problem at the beginning. I used to have to wait a really long time and then it would let me finish. You need to wait till all three boxes at the top of the screen have green check marks.

Using the YouTube method fixed that problem for me.

I agree. My only point is that right now, this is what is holding Dtube back. This is what's keeping it from being the heavy hitter and YouTube killer that it can and should be.

lol if just someone like pewdiepie moved here...

Who is "they"?

I agree with you @TJKirk and also seconds @beograd's comment. It is incredibly annoying, especially for someone like you, as majority of your content is videos. In fact i believe that the future of the platform is more video content. Also there's been an issue with videos becoming not visible, which is another serious bug that Dtube needs to address (i dont know if you had that particular issue as well). On the other hand, i have really high hopes for Dtube as it's user count grows... Im basing this on my short experience on Steemit so far... things do improve.

You’re right that it’s slow, but it’s unfair to compare the system to current YouTube when the Dtube uploader is hosted and paid for by a single guy.

If you’re willing to invest some time though, you can encode your videos in the right resolution and format yourself and then also upload the files to the IPFS network yourself. Then you only have to paste the links to the files in the advanced section of the dtube uploader and can bypass the entire thing.

You seem to know a lot about video editing... I started making 360 video on youtube, do you think dtube will support them soon ?

It's better than it was a couple of months ago. I'm sure they'll keep improving on the tech.

I really appreciate that it now compresses the video and puts it in a lower resolution for smoother playback(which is why I think it takes so long.)

As an end-user, I care more about the video quality, 480p just doesn't cut it for me personally.

But I can definitely understand your frustration with the slow uploader, that would drive me crazy too if I had to use it every day and waste my precious time on something that should work out of the box.

Sorry Dtube sucks and give me headaches, i have to upload 7 / 8 times a single video sometimes to make it "work"; most of the time Dtube don't add a sprite, don't add it to ifps thing, or fp480 nonsense, it blocks here and there and here and there, so i use fucking youtube for now and link into my blog posts, or i use youtube as an encoder that lighten my videos RE download the MP4 and try to upload that lighter file to Dtube even if there is loss of quality.

It's not like i give up easily and try and try again and again to upload my videos, but, after a while, spending an hour being frustrated by that shit uploader, I have many other things to do in my day while i work for my little indie game, i can't fuck around that much with obsolete / clunky features. Sorry Dtube, you have to get better or get fucked by competition.

That's as simple as that. get ur shit together it's been more than a year than people complain.

DTube uploads videos into the IPFS network. You can upload videos into the IPFS network yourself and just link them to dtube. This video explains how you do that:

One issue is that there just isn't really the infrastructure to support DTube right now. The servers aren't good enough. Part of that is the fast growth of the site - partially thanks to you TJ! I don't blame you or anything - I joined because of you - but this growth has undoubtedly put a strain on the servers, slowing things down evern more.

I just get "error submitting to the blockchain" notices whenever I try to upload.

DTube has quite a few flaws right now, that I imagine can be fixed. Shitty search functionality, some videos straight up don't work, ...
It makes sense that these issues occur since it is a new platform replicating something that's been improved by one of the largest companies in the world for nearly 10 years.
However, the underlying tech gives DTube a head-start over other video sharing websites in many interesting ways.
That's why I'm quite certain that if there can be a "youtube killer" in the next 10 years, it'll be DTube.

Totally agree with you. It sucks ass, and could seriously lift up DTube to be a much better platform.

Dtube has been so flawed for me I don't use it. I tried to upload something once, but it took too long. Also, sometimes I have to wait 30 minutes before I can watch a single video. Dunno what's that all about. I have a macbook pro with Chrome. I watch youtube every day. They need to fix this if they want people to use it.

Total agreement. But we have to remember it's an ongoing development. So it will get better. Have to. And in process - kills PC YouTube monopoly.

Funny, because for it's the exact opposite. YouTubes upload is much slower than DTubes. Maybe it's because i live in Europe and not in the US.
My videos are already uploaded, converted to 480p and published on DTube, while YouTube is still processing the video.

But even if i had the same problem as you have i wouldn't really care that much. It's not the end of the world because DTube is only in version 0.6
Everything is still very basic right now. Improvements will come.

Same here. My uploads are very fast compared to DTube. Using Chrome helps speed up the process also, particularly on my Mac. The only problem I am having is that my library (archived) videos are disappearing from my DTube account page. They still show way back in my Steemit stream, but they are not showing in my current DTube archive. I currently have over 45 videos uploaded but only 17 are appearing in the archive right now. As I do geopolitical war crime archiving I was hoping to have them all easily available in one place that cannot be censored like You Tube is.

Were they ever added to the blocklist and listed on your channel?
I noticed, that you can't add too many videos to the blocklist to quickly after another.
You can upload them to IPFS, but when you press "submit" it won't work unless you wait a couple of minutes. If you exit the page before the the video is added to the blockchain it's only uploaded to IPFS. Then it's not listed on DTube even though it's somewhere out there in the internet. :)
Maybe that's your problem.

Thanks for the response. They were added to the blocklist and did show up in the archive and were fine for a time. Then one day they just started disappearing from the archive, one after the other. I believe this occurred right after the cosmetic changes and upgrades to the DTube interface. Now its gone back up to 18 as I added a new one today, but I have no idea why the other ones that were there are no longer showing. The worse part is that I don't know for sure if any new ones I upload will stay there or push others out of the archive. I really wanted that archive to be rocking so that other geopolitical researchers could use it.

I've noticed the same thing- all but one of my videos have disappeared on dtube but they do still show up through the post on steemit. It seems like something that could be fixed eventually, but it makes it hard for me to suggest dtube to new people that would be otherwise interested in the platform because if they are looking for my video content, when they go to my channel page, only one video is there.

I had the same thing happen to me too now. A couple of my old videos didn't work anymore, but they still showed up. I found a pretty simple fix for it, though.
I just uploaded them again without pressing the final "submit" button. This way they were re-uploaded to IPFS and the old video references in DTube were working again.
Strangely enough i didn't even had to upload all of my videos that didn't work before. I just re-uploaded two of them and suddenly all the other videos were working again even though i didn't re-uploaded them.
My guess is, that it's some bug in IPFS and not DTube or the Blockchain, so it's something the IPFS people have to fix.

Ahh very interesting... I'll have to try that. Thanks for figuring that out!

That would be indeed a very serious problem. I'd like to think that my videos I uploaded up until now are safe and won't vanish because of some platform updates again.
I'm basically doing the same thing as you do. My channel's purpose is also more like an archive and not really for up to date videos, so let's hope this doesn't happen anymore.

I feel like Tj is really moist.

Keep in mind that we're talking about two totally different animals. On Youtube, you uploading to centralized and stable servers. On DTube, you're uploading to a decentralized blockchain supported by an infant technology.

I don't think DTube will ever be as efficient as YouTube on this, but I hope I'm wrong.

Yeah, user experience has to be #1 when growing a new platform. I haven't tried uploading anything to dtube yet, but I trust your analysis.

I'll be looking at the code for the ipfs uploader, which seems to be coded in ASP.NET MVC
If anyone would also like to take a look, go to
https://github.com/dtube/ipfs-uploader

This is day two that I haven't been able to upload video to dtube, whereas I was able to before. I even tried uploading a video I already uploaded to dtube days ago because it said "No video with supported format and MIME type found". Did the uploader stop accepting certain formats?

i must admit it has been unbearable my experience with uploading. i think i will take the tip of uploading to youtube then down loading to computer then uploading that to dtube. fuck if that aint a workaround...
the one big thing dtube has going for it is.... fuck youtube...

So it is just slow then? I've assumed it has shit itself when I see it in the morning not seeming to do anything (I upload overnight). I upload overnight to YouTube, Dtube and Dailymotion (overnight is easier with slow Australian internet) and a few times now I've lost the d.tube one because it doesn't even seem to be doing anything as opposed to just being slow so I've assumed it isn't working at all after leaving it for quite a while. Maybe I'll just need to let it keep doign its thing and accept I'll have a post for the other videos on here first and then a d.tube post later on if it finally works.

Yep, but you should've seen what the 1st version of dtube was like. And that was way back in the day 6 months or so ago. :P They've come a long way in a short period of time and it will continue to get better. We'll be laughing at how broken this thing was in the years to come.

I am giving it time. I remember YouTube was veeeery slow back in the day, and it seems like a lot of crypto platforms run like "old internet" sites. Hopefully we can have fast uploads soon.

So true, i just posted a video and the up load was so slow,also the replay. Linked it to Facebook im not sure if anyone has the patience to load and watch