Culture has always had a peculiar way in evolving. Times change and sometimes we have to jump on the next cultural meme in order to move on. Gender pronouns are such a case. No longer he or she are the "normal" accepted ones. We now have to remember this entire clusterfuck in order to communicate. Or do we have to?
I don't mind people having their own pronouns. I don't mind who they sleep with and what they believe about sex. What I am allergic to is being required by law to follow their wishes. Today, one can easily be called racist or abusive if they fail to address people in the pronoun or their preference.
The trans community or social activists call for respect. In my dictionary, respect is earned not given away freely. This gender pronoun charade is nothing but another chapter of political correctness that seems to be plaguing society — all in the cost of freedom. As a result, places like universities have become "safe spaces" where people seek safety rather than education. Somehow we all have to conform to the wishes of some people in the trans community or face the law. Ridiculous.
Nobody should respect anything that undermines freedom of speech. If one cannot bear the thought of someone speaking their mind then might as well kill themselves. Life get's much more complicated than that and in many different ways. The world is anything but a safe place. In order to survive in this life one has to develop thick skin, and not invent laws and prohibitions in order to protect their feelings. These laws make the trans community more vulnerable, not stronger.
It has become so ridiculous that even talking about these issues is against the law in some States. Apparently, the politicians in an attempt to gather up as many votes as possible, have decided to offer to minority groups so many legal privileges that end up undermining the freedom of the rest of the population. This is exactly how freedom is sacrificed in the altar of safety.
You are a gay or straight man that likes dressing up like a woman? Fine. No problem. There is no need to advertise your position, no need to resort to legal means or even invent pronouns that others have to follow. You are not "gender queer", you are just a man that likes to dress up like a woman.
Personally I don't even agree with the entire transgender thing. There are two genders in our species. Male and female. That's it. Anything more than that is just made up bullshit. Sure, you allowed to believe your bullshit — much like everyone else — but you don't have to force others to do so. Bill Nye in 1996 had this video explaining how there are only 2 genders. Fast forward 20 years and apparently our species has evolved to include a "spectrum". Ridiculous. Bill Nye is yet another victim and tool of political correctness. There is no "science" to this. Just opinion. Yet this another example of how science gets sacrificed in the same of politics.
Now, I don't doubt that some people are born with hormonal abnormalities or even with 2 sexual organs. These cases exist. Nonetheless, the vast majority of these rare and exceptional cases are undergoing surgery early on in order to avoid health and social adaptation problems. There is no excuse for making gender queering a fashion statement that has to be backed up by law. Gaining a few votes from people that just want social approval for their fetishes is just ridiculous.
Feelings are not more important than words. Freedom cannot be subjected to societal trends of any fashion. Thankfully, we have people like Jordan Peterson that defend the right of freedom of speech and demolish these absurd arguments about gender pronouns. Political correctness is chipping away what once meant to be free. People see and experience the world differently but those views should never be enforced onto one another.
In my understanding this gender issue can be quite easily solved if we divide it into three categories.
Genetics ( related with the genetical information you are born with, chromosomes, possible hormones divergence etc) with is the part you are not control of, you were born with it and it will define you for the rest of your life (recently we have been able to partually change that thanks to advanced medical procedures)
Gender Identity This is the funny part. It relates with the human cognition and the ability of humans to believe in imaginery stories, unrelated with biology, chemistry, physics. Famous examples would the belief in the monetary system, nations, religions and the quite recent gender identity! It is how each individual personally perceives his existance to this world, resulting in various funny gender identities.
Make no mistake though! The term man and woman also fall into that category, they are cultural and social constructs that have torchured millions of people during human history.
Sexual Orientation Kinda easy to understand (I hope) relating to the characteristics of the people, animals, objects you are attracted to and prefer to have sexual relationships with. Pretty much it describes what kind of kinky pervert you might be ;)
I consider myself as a born male, that likes being a man and prefers females (sometimes women).
There you go. What are you guys? 🤔
I am a male who likes females. Though I do quite often Identify as "The Ownage", I get mad headshots in FPS games :)
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well put
Nice!
Spot on with this one mate... (sorry for assuming your gender) hehe. The most interesting debate around this topic I think is about whether people feeling the need to change away from their biological sex is a real condition or just a form of mental illness. Obviously people in this predicament need some kind of treatment but should that treatment be to change their body physically or to accept it mentally?
the line is really blurry here. I should write another post because I don't agree with the definition of mental illness to begin with.
I am largely on the same wavelength and appreciate your candidness. The problem I have with the pronoun issue is that it isn't enough for many of these individuals that they are addressed with their desired pronoun, they actually expect you to believe they are what they believe they are, if you don't, somehow you are discriminating against them, bigoted, intolerant, transphobic etc. which is patently absurd (just because someone doesn't believe in Buddhism doesn't make them anti-Buddhist).
Sorry, but objectively and biologically they are not and never can be anything other than the xx or xy biological sex they were born as, even surgery and hormone treatments cannot change an individual's xx/xy chromosome designation - and should someone choose to address them based on the pronoun that matches their biological sex, that should not be considered a hate transgression or even offensive.
I am happy to call people whatever they want out of respect - as long as they understand that I am always going to be aware that biologically they are the sex they were born as. The flip side of this belief system is that unless they are hypocrites, they have to call you whatever you want them to as well. This has had some entertaining results.
As someone with university experience, you would definitely enjoy some of my recent blog posts, where I have treated social justice, safe spaces and the topic Meritocracy is Dead - Diversity and Privilege in Higher Education.
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Excellent comment. Thank you for sharing.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70
Nice video covering the gender madness and some of the origins of its political advance.
I don't understand why these people don't break down the gender pronouns completely and promote using something like "it" for every human being. In that way, you can't offend or discriminate against anyone. But in doing so, they won't any longer feel like special magical unicorns. So let's rather ruin life for everyone else who does not feel so freaking entitled.
Thanks a lot for sharing this docu... I did not know it, have one or two friends who need to see it. Of course, they have not children and "stil" do not care about all this "madness"(best name for whats happening)
indeed . good one.
Furthermore, the constant discussion of these non-issues just steals resources, attention and relevance from topics that urgently need to be addressed and resolved.
Nobody is actually getting damaged or getting their rights trampled by not being addressed with their own special pronoun of their choice.
Exactly, valuable time that could be spent elsewhere in academia.
I am like you. I don't care what other people do, especially in their bedroom. I am going to honestly say that I believe that people who mutilate their sex organs in some type of attempt to change their gender are mentally ill.
There are certain things in this world that are immutable such as species and gender. Grafting a penis or vagina through surgery does not change someone's gender any more than grafting a dog tail to their ass and running around on all fours changes them into a dog.
I feel bad for those that hate themselves so much that they try to surgically alter themselves with a parade of invasive, and probably painful procedures. In the end, many of them are still not happy because nothing they do can change who they are inside, which is where the real problem exists.
The suicide rate among transgenders is disturbingly high. I feel that we are doing a real disservice to these people because they are clearly in need of help and treatment for their mental illness.
I also feel strongly that it is absolutely child abuse and brainwashing to drag little children as young as 4 into this and tell them there is no such thing as gender, which is a complete lie. There have even been people that have had their young child undergo sex changes now, and I think that is disgusting. A young child does not understand life enough and does not have the ability to make such an important decision that will affect them for the rest of their life. Apparently, you can't smoke until you are 16 and you can't drink until you are 21, but you can have a sex change at 4!
Sometimes I honestly feel like we are living in George Orwell's 1984 where people are so brainwashed they can't even determine reality and fact from what they are told is reality and fact.
In a way anything we say to a child is more or less brainwashing. All kids need guidance so parents can teach whatever they want to them.
the only reason these people get the law backing them up is because they vote. regular people are disinterested in voting and thus these minorities can win elections if they are played carefully.
Hence, the term "The tyranny of the minority".
Very true, it's a total clusterfuck of fetishes and the billions of people who want to say a man or a woman / him or her can't because it will be crime against the 0.00000000001‰ who magically evolved to some sexual fantasy gender. The world is truly in a pathetic state because of our own doing but mostly our governments and the butt hurt clan. Nice post
I agree with you totally on this man. This political correctness thing is just getting too much man. I dont want to change my way of life just because some people have different needs. I have no issues with them doing whatever they want but I don't want to have my personal space encroached just because someone somewhere has a great idea of changing the law to get some monorith
I'm ok with people living any way they like if it doesn't hurt others. I'm happy to hear them out and try to understand them. But I will not adopt the labels set by mainstream society when they try to dictate what is normal. Luckily I haven't encountered anyone who wanted me to use some new gender pronoun.
As for transgender, I have doubts about the whole concept. It obviously stems from real deviation from typical gender roles which is totally fine, but those gender roles are defined by society, so the whole thing seems a bit reactionary to me. That being said, I wouldn't pour these doubts on someone who identifies as trans because either way they obviously don't fit into the past idea of normal and it can be hard growing up like that, they don't need to deal with a person they don't know doubting them. It would be interesting to see if something like transgender would develop in a society with drastically different ideas about gender roles.
If Someone who is trans happens to read this, feel free to share your opinion here. No hate, I am happy to hear you out.
well put man
Based upon my observations, there is madness on both sides. Endless madness, to the point that the debate itself is incredibly tiresome and boring.
But let's talk about your side, @kyriacos.
I don't like laws. I'm an anarchist, and I want free speech. You do too, I'm sure. So if you're free to speak, what do you call the dude in girl-clothes who wants to be called she?
They haven't done anything of note. They're just a random nobody, maybe a co-worker, maybe wait-staff at a restaurant, or any other boring, generic person, but you've gotta deal with them for five minutes or whatever, and you end up having to say a pronoun at least once.
And remember this is anarchist-world, where you are free to speak whatever words you want, and defend yourself if someone tries to coerce you. This person is doing neither. They're just getting you a drink, or filing paperwork or something boring.
So what words do you use?
Do you call this dude in girl-clothes a he? Or a she, knowing that they would like to be called "she?" That much is obvious.
This is your call here. No one else can speak for you or tell you what to say. This person is not on any side; they're neither friend no foe. Just a random person in the world.
What's your pronoun for them?
I will actually use everything but the one they like just to piss them off.
This person now views you as hostile, and an unfriendly person.
They don't care about serving your drinks, nor do they have any interest in filing paperwork or serving you food with any sort of skill or interest. They don't spit in your drink or anything.
They just view you as another obstacle in their life, someone who makes life slightly harder for no good reason. They feel somewhat bad, but go about their life, only now you don't get friendliness from them. This is just a random person. Not some SJW or whatever.
Just a random person who you'd purposefully make feel bad. What for?
If they're your co-worker, they will never say anything good about you to your boss. If you need help with anything, they will never choose to help you.
If you ever need a favor, they will never bother to assist.
They view you as an enemy, because you need to bring up some political drama to their face, and create unnecessary hostility.
For me, a bystander, I take note of the idea that people who do speak their mind only do so to say mean, petty things to people, while people who actually have things to say always feel censored, be it by society, religions, or government.
You've now created a rift between this dude-in-a-dress, as well as me. But why?
You've made enemies for no good reason. Instead of using words that would help the world become more peaceful, you've added kindling to an existing political drama. It is like saying, "Instead of calling black people black people, I will call them the one word that will piss them off."
Even if you can't be censored, why would you choose to make enemies?
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better do your google search before trying to play smartass
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/17/you-can-be-fined-for-not-calling-people-ze-or-hir-if-thats-the-pronoun-they-demand-that-you-use/
http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/canada-passes-law-criminalizing-use-of-wrong-gender-pronouns/
nobody gives a shit how you feel or how you want to be called.
Dress however you want. Act however you want. I said so in my post. Don't expect me though to follow your wishes by law because you are sensitive in your own clusterfuck.
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I am vocal about many things. You judge things emotionally. That says more about you. My point here is clearly freedom of speech. I wouldn't be bothered if someone didn't call me mister. As simple as that.
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The point is literally on the title but I guess you are way too emotional and whiny to see past that.
I also dare you to cut and paste the "nonsense". Let's see what you got besides a bullshit narrative
Devil's advocate -- what is gender? Or more specifically -- what is the point of gender outside of the context of biological sex?
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I understand that you
That was my point. I'll repeat my question:
What is the point of gender outside of the context of biological sex? What is it good for? Why bother?
Canada soon and New York.
https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-16/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/18/de-blasio-fine-businesses-wrong-gender-pronouns/
I agree with this completely! It's gotten out of control! I don't have time to "memorize" all these bizarre pronouns. I don't care who anyone marries, What people dress like, Or whatever. People can live how they want. But at this point it's starting to become "inconvenient" for everybody. and like you said it's restricting our speech. I can't imagine what people have to start dealing with, Who work in customer service positions. If they are accidentally are called "Him" or "her". What are they going to get in trouble? Do we have to start asking people what their name is, Then what pronoun they go by?
Ridiculous. People have referred to me as "he" or "him". When I am a woman. People have called my boyfriend a "her". Because he has the longer hair.
Guess what?
We don't care! We shrug it off. Because it's not a big deal! People just want to get mad about unimportant stuff.
Apparently having a thick skin has become something rare nowadays.
Well put!
Good post from you, upped. My pwn point is that we should be respectful in what ever we are doing, be it online or offline
Its really funny, this movement is claiming to be fighting for inclusiveness etc but while they are doing that they shun and demonize anyone with even a slightly different point of view. Trying to be politically correct and forcing everyone else to be is leading to exactly what they fighting against. It all makes zero sense to me, and I am just waiting for the chips to fall and more to see how bassackwards everything is becoming.
Safe spaces make my brain hurt. They are just making more problems, they claim to want inclusiveness and acceptance while pushing out anyone who doesnt agree with them etc....
You're free to have any opinions and live life as you want as long as you agree 100% with what they are saying.
This is my view also, call yourself whatever the hell you like, and if you're polite I will reciprocate and comply with your wishes, the minute you start requiring me to do so with legal threats and intimidation I'll tell you to fuck off.
Fortunately for me I'm a working class English bloke; so have yet to make contact with these people who are using pronouns as a political weapon. I can only imagine what it's like to be a university professor, being an expert in your subject and having some little shit holding this unscientific leverage over you. That must be frustrating.
This political correctness is also permeating Spanish, and now there are some saying that Spanish language is sexist. Spanish has gender declination that modifies nouns and adjetives into feminine and masculine. Our grammar was inherited from Latin, which had neutral as well, but neutral didn't make it into Spanish and neutral nouns were divided between masculine and feminine (that wasn't determinate by any authority, it just happen as speakers began to use it that way). And when you are addressing or referring to people, femenine and masculine, you will use the masculine as neutral to imply both genders. Let's say you are talking to children in a class, you'd say "niños" implying "niños" y "niñas". Regarding pronouns, you'd use "nosotros" if you want to include men and women, the same for "ellos" if you are referring to a group of people of men and women. That's being considered sexist by feminists in the Hispanic world and now there are a whole set or rules to avoid it. Like saying "niños y niñas", "nosotros y nosotras", "ellos y ellas". Many academics have complained that this use violate one of the main principle languages must have: economy. Even though Spanish must be one of the least economic languages, imagine how it would get if we started applying all those new rules they want to impose. Also they have propose an inclusive gender particle, "e", so you'd say "nosotres mismes" o "todes nosotres" o "niñes", thus violating another rule of language which is the nature of its evolution.
Nice post! I dislike this gender inflation as well. @fyrstikken had a nice song 'I am a man' (https://steemit.com/comedy/@fyrstikken/i-am-a-man). A man is a man, a woman is a woman. End of story! From @janusface STILL A MAN
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I was ready to rip into you then I kept reading. I agree 100%.
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Where did you even find all those pronouns?? I wrote about my own issues with this transgender agenda and got a few answers that have left me speechlees. Apparently, there are other "cultures and societies" that understand and accept the notion that there are more than two genders. Also, there are other more advanced societies where parents have the decency to wait until the child is ready to announce their gender! Didn't bother to ask in what universe exactly are these marvelous societies!
Feel free to check out those comments and be enlightened:
https://steemit.com/health/@ladyrebecca/the-assault-on-children-s-minds
mindfuck
Listen to Jordan Peterson and read the memo by James Damore.
memo
Very good article, with some comments,... ((Political correctness is chipping away what once meant to be free. People see and experience the world differently but those views should never be enforced onto one another.)) >Not everything they say has to be like that, I think!
You call it "trans community".
I prefer trance community, as I think it's a more accurate term.
It seems to me that well more than half of the world's people are living in a fantasy land of their own making. Rather than facing their denial of reality and freeing themselves of the natural resistances and, therefore, suffering that they create for themselves, they toil in their self-sabotaging delusions that fit their idealistic model of "nature".
Why is it so common that what people deem "ideal" are actually conditions which lead them to more suffering?
Is it because people unconsciously hate themselves and feel that they deserve punishment? Are they that stupid?
The collective actions of society are almost always in the direction of dividing and defining. We create as many "us" and "thems" as possible, with as many labels for each of those divisions as possible. With each division comes another potential source of fear, another fold into the complexity that is prejudice, which (prejudice) is problem enough without the influence of all that dogma.
We live in a world now where we behave as if societal laws are in the interest of truth or what's morally right, which couldn't be further from the truth. We seem to believe (buy) that what's condoned as "proper behavior" is "natural" or "right" behavior, which is laughably ignorant.
Why do we fear nature so much that we behave like children, pretending like we live in a world that doesn't exist? Why the blind eye?
hahaha. quite right yes.
Because we realize that at some point we will seize to be and that everything more or less is a fucking joke.
I Agree with your post! I personal think its a mental issue "mental health". I'm not trying to offend anyone but.... Please get these people some HELP!!!! before the ruin society!! Call your family doctor! Call your Psychiatrist! Call on Jesus! but call somebody! don't force it down my throat! I don't eat B.S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why can't we just use XX and XY on our IDs and call it female and male. If someone wants to be a woman, man or an Apache Attack Helicopter so be it, but please don't try to legally force me to call you an Apache Attack Helicopter because that what you feel you are.
exactly
The un-enlightenedness of the whole gender pronoun thing is disturbing.
Regressive.
Our bodies are nothing more than the point of resonance that our bit of cosmic consciousness has been linked to. They are simply the vehicle that allows our speck of cosmic consciousness to interact with the physical world.
They are the cosmic equivalent of a car.
Cosmic consciousness (aka the soul) does not have a sex or gender. In this realm we are all the same.
The sole purpose of names and pronouns is to facilitate interaction. Thus the term "I am called" is a better fit than "I am."
Getting far too tightly identified with our bodies represents spiritual regression, not advancement. It is to be expected from a society that has eschewed spirituality (thinking that in so doing it is shunning religion -- unfortunately, those are two very different things...), because all that is left once a greater existence is rejected is the physical world.
Thus the physical world becomes the center of existence, and physical institutions and physical issues occupy the portion of our consciousness that otherwise would be occupied by an awareness of and reverence for the greater existence that surrounds us and that our consciousness emanates from.
As long as we understand through the use of names who we intend to interact with, who cares about the specifics of those names?
So it boils down to, are you one of those uptight folk who get mad if people mispronounce your name or don't add your title properly? Or are you an easy going person who realizes that we are all in this together and cuts people slack as long as they mean no harm?
People getting uptight about gender pronouns are unfortunately the former.
You can believe all you want. Nobody is denying this right. Forcing it by law is what is disturbing.
They force because they believe it is vital, but they only believe it is vital because they have lost sight of the bigger picture.
Attributed to Sean Connery." I got hit by a book, I couldn't help myshelf."
boys have penises and girls have vaginas. end of story.
Agreed. Trying to force me is a bad strategy. If someone wants me to address them in a certain way, they can ask politely and I may just go along with a smile. But if forced, I will resist.