Like it or not, downvotes are an important part of the ecosystem. They're likely often misused, yet the original purpose is to moderate the rewards.
I often receive them on my top paid posts, and I do not complain about that. Cutting four dollars form 80 ain't that bad.
I've seen all the arguments about downvotes. We are free to do what we want on Hive, but may be judged by others for it. I've been involved in some anti-abuse efforts. That has brought retaliation, but it wasn't personal from me. The community decides on our rewards.
Downvotes are just a tool, and it's on every one of us how (and if) we use them. They also show how mature the community is, though.
Dude you see the argument I downvote to make myself rich? That' my favorite.
I've down voted spam
I've down voted using hashtags to lie about what the content is about
Well, this did not cross my mind when I was creating the poll. Thanks for the comment :)
Just saw that because of @friendlymoose post hehehe smooth equalization is famous :P, never got one because 80$ post is something that I never saw hehe
Browse Trendings and soak inspiration there ;)
Quite an interesting topic you brought up. I'd like to create a blog about this to discuss it with a broader audience. Are you OK with that and can I use a screenshot of your poll for that?
I wonder what the big stakeholders have to say about "over-rewarded" content.@godfish
Sure, go ahead!
Cool! Thabks mate. I appreciate that!
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Downvoting is such a delicate subject. Downvotes to reduce rewards for 'overrated content' is often not taken kindly by the authors.
I do sometimes see content that I think is over rewarded (mostly by autovotes), but I'm hesitant to do so.
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Downvoting someone could make an author angry and you can get a downvote on all your post in return.
And overrewarded posts often are from Hivers with large stakes, so that could hurt a lot.
I don't want to risk this for my account which I have built up in years.
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You should actually have an anonymous downvote option or something.
Generaly speaking, my best rated posts are those that I spent hours with, so I don't feel bad about getting these rewards :) It is true, though, that some less effort posts by reputed people get same rewards time to time.
You don't have to feel bad for the rewards. It is what other people give you.
But it can be frustrating for new Hivers that also put a lot of effort in their posts and hardly see any rewards on their posts.
I found it very disappointing not receiving rewards nor replies.
It's not just a creative platform, Hive is also a social network. That networking is a good portion of your success, and newbies have to establish themselves to have some interactions. We all have done so.
I see your points. Anonymous downvotes are not possible from the nature of this blockchain. I prefer recieving non-anonymous downvotes if they have to come :)
Yes, retalitation is a threat that discourages people from downvoting. Perhaps curating initiatives could be used for such semi-anonymous downvotes on over-rated content (however subjective this is).
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The question is: when do we find a blog overrewarded?
I once suggested to put a maximum reward for a blog.
Is any blog worth to receive more than $100 or even $50 rewards. Despite the fact that it has taken a lot of time to create?
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And if it deserves more rewards, for instance in case of charity, people can also send tips for the blog or even send Hive directly to the user.
But I think most of the people with large stakes (and receive the most rewards) don't want a maximum 😀
It as subjective as finding content under-rewarded :)
Never downvoted anyone lol. I don’t understand reward moderation enough to downvote anyone for it.
Smooth is doing well with this thing, was downvoted many times but I trust his judgement for doing so.
Well, if I downvote you will my full voting power, you lose almost a dollar of your reward. Or, in other way, this dollar is distributed among other upvoted authors, it doesn't stay in the reward pool.
If there's a shitpost of like two sentences only with $100 payout, I'd say downvoting it is fair. It shouldn't get the upvotes in the first place, though - If people paid their due diligence to upvoting, there would likely be less place for downvoting.
I don't complain when my post drop few dollars, and still generate like 80. I'd be pissed if somebody shot down a post I spent few hours with to $3 though :)
I wouldn’t be upset if some of my posts hit $80 and someone downvoted to balance things out. It’s been a while since any of my posts got close to that amount. :(
Not every of my posts get such rewards, obviously, only the outstanding ones :) And once, I even published the best paid post of the day ;)
Ohhhh, maybe one day I'll win that trophy! 😁
Just try harder ;)
That's it, one day I know I'll make it :)
I thought the same thing, if any of my posts reached that amount I wouldn't mind having a bit cut off to balance it out. I believe that DV should exist to be a way of balancing and protecting us against the abuse of some users.
Can't recall last time I got upvoted that hard!
Content still matters ;)
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I downvoted some posts that contained minimal content, mentioned a dozen or more users, and used 30+ tags.
I guess you were triggered by being mentioned there :) I don't often run into such posts :)
Death to spam!
Here's where all the spam comes from:
Spam and plagiarism are kept at bay by volunteer moderators. We mess up sometimes, and some groups are a bit over-eager to punish, but it's an essential part of the process.
I agree, we usually can handle mess, sometimes making it a tad messier though :)
I don't usually DV, but I have done it a few times on posts that I saw were being abused. I usually analyze a post with DV and try to understand what happened, when I see that it really was abuse I consider doing a DV.
I think downvotes are not really good, they are misused.
Any particular example of misuse (except for Hivewatchers, when bullying brand new users - they've stopped doing that recently)?
I saw it with Hivewatchers. If they stopped it, its ok.
But there are other downvotes where i do not understand why.
I don#t think downvotes is good for hive.
Is there any particular to point out? I can kinda help with my full upvote there if the downvote was really unjustified.
no, not at the moment.
Let me know when you do then ;)
I will. See also my posting here:
https://peakd.com/hive-174578/@blkchn/re-friendlymoose-smzcfq
All the time for many different reasons, but all boil down to reward disagreement.
And it seems reward disagreement will be a thing again - I happened to cast the poll just a day or two before the recent milking accusation.
What's your opinion on having DV rewards sent to null instead of trending?
I am sorry, I don't understand the question.
The rewards that are removed from posts go to trending and popular post maybe all of it or some of it, mayhaps some of it to the DHF which is controlled by very few very high stakes profiles, which also patrol the trending and receive a portion of that too.
The rewards "removed" by downvotes stay in the Rewards Pool, and then are distributed among all upvoted authors and their curators.
The higher stake you have, the more power you have - it's called Hive Power for a reason.
btw, the DHF has loads of funds, we spend only a small portion of it.