I was going to write a post on Hive today .
About Hive.
It was a breakdown (you know, math and facts), of why it made no sense to downvote posts.
I was going to breakdown how much had been taken off my upvotes in the last 8 months, and how - if you are business minded (no ideological slant in this whatsoever) - why it makes NO financial sense to downvote.
Using myself as the example - Say $12 a day (in my case) - for 8 months - lets say 34 weeks to keep it simple - That works out at around $2,800 , approx.
I've made back approximately $1,250 of that back so far - through other means (sock accounts on hive, subscription's off hive on my blog.... blah, blah).
It's a lot more work, but I'm getting there...
I'm a tiny account.
'The powers that be' (or think they are, bless)... detest me posting my stuff.
Tough shit - this is the blockchain.
IF this is not some intelligence agency controlled experiment (there are verifiable connections) - and instead, purely a business -then the downvoting on my accounts makes zero business sense.
I've had a few businesses before I retired - ALL of them , were people centric concerns.
Believe it or, not, I can be a real 'people person'!
(if I wasn't , these businesses would have gone 'tits up' very quickly - not made handsome profits)
IF this Hive blockchain is not some shady scam set up - and purely a business - then the downvoting on my accounts makes zero business sense.
THINK ABOUT IT....
Hive has paid me $3,600 (by downvoting me) , to talk about Hive in a negative light, and spread the word...
I WILL make my lemonade from the very bitter lemons that have been thrown at me by the hive cabal .
They cannot stop me, on or off hive - and if that means I recompense myself via ' rewards' for showcasing Hive in a negative light, no problem.
I WILL MAKE MY LEMONADE - AND ALL WITHOUT ANYONE'S FUCKING PERMISSION.
Have these people ever actually moved away from their keyboards and communicated in the real world , with real people?
This is NOT how you conduct a business - not one that wants to grow.
Don’t ever believe the myth that there is no such thing as bad publicity.
If reputation is not important ('because they're clever'...or something) to your business, I'd posit that they don't have a single fucking clue what they're doing.
If it's ideologically motivated (which I think a lot of it is), then your'e fucked anyway.
You're on the wrong side of history.
Backing Technocracy is a losing bet.
You won't be able to 'spin your way' out of this position- The ideological bent is one that seems more and more obvious.
That's the short version - I won't bother breaking it down and go into detail.
The long version explains how many hundreds of thousand of dollars profit, are wiped out, by just a ONE CENT drop in token price.
So if I had any effect and it caused a one cent drop in price...
....then the hundreds of thousands of dollars would be wiped off the value.... This then makes 'the taking of my legitimately earned $3600', a bit of a fucking brain dead, stupid exercise, doesn't it?
While it can be argued that I wouldn't have such an effect, I'd say you know nothing about the power of negative reputation - and you certainly don't know anything about my talent in that regard.
Thinking along the lines of 'a small account, with very little visibility online' is a valid (if incorrect) take on things.
THEN I SAW THIS TODAY, AS I SAT DOWN WITH MY FIRST COFFEE....
https://peakd.com/hive/@highimpactflix/houston-we-ve-got-a-problem
All the usual suspects, spreading their stupidity.
This account is not the same as mine.
THIS ACCOUNT has over 71,000 subscribers - just on bitchute alone !
This account is larger in terms of following , than the whole of hive itself !
This was response from one of the hive's , useful idiots...(a personality vacuum, and utterly brain dead).
Over 71 thousand subscribers - just on bitchute alone....
From a business enterprise perspective - the logic of down voting all my posts was nil.
(bad reputation, loss of hundreds of thousands of dollar via the potential token price etc.)
From a business enterprise perspective - the logic of down voting users with such a big following - it blows the fucking mind.
We're gonna have to come up with a another word to describe the level of mega stupid that is going on in the higher echelons of Hive.
OR...they are commie ideologues who think that they're gonna get rich in the new technocratic state. .....I mean, seriously, how fucking dumb do you have to be, to think that will ever happen?
Oh and there will be no technocracy, anyways - so they've already chose a losing bet...
Where the fuck will that then leave these idiots...?
Mr Popular?...
I don't think so...not by a country mile...
Even if it is not some intel operation, and purely business....Here's what a clever man would have done with my account.....
" Hey @lucylin, you have an interesting perspective on things....We'd love to hear more...Here's $3000 in HBD for the next 6 months - put together a full package of your ideas, so we can look at them .
This would have kept me quiet for 6 months, while I did as what I was a paid to do.
Even if what they's said to me, was all total lies.
Even if the intention was to bin everything that I wrote over the 6 months period - it makes no difference .
THAT would have been a good business move.
You can't fix stupid.
That guy might be somebody somewhere, but here you have to be ready to respond to your commenters.
The news he brings is days, or weeks, old.
Many of us know him from the reputation he has earned in the community he seeks to be the voice of.
I bet he has as many dead followers as anybody that has an account from 2017.
And, you know those downvotes had nothing to do with who he is or is content, at least until he wanted to complain, then the opportunists took the time to remind him he may be somebody in his own bubble, but here he has yet to earn a bubble.
Every trending post should have lots of downvotes, iyam.
I took care of the comment farm too @antisocialist ! Thank you for your help. Took me only about 10 sec. We can automate this too as well. I am a few folks working on some AI bots that we love to test
There was a comment farm, too?
Smdh.
-edit-
I found it.
The crab bucket strikes again.
Right here :)
Look below.
Also directly says that he is doing comment-farming:)
I have never seen anyone digging their own grave this way 😂
He is quite remarkable.
I think he has some bad data skewing his approach, though.
We are doing much better than when the n2 enabled most of what he says is happening.
The 'bad' whales were much more effective at sucking up the inflation back then.
Now, if we could get the 1000mv vote limit respected, we could see a better distribution happening.
We are doing excellent and it’s organic growth. We don’t need any publicity. Also Lucy can do whatever Twitter or Washington Post or Bangkok Post anti-hive campaign he wants to do he doesn’t realize that no one cares :)
Also the other dude Phil, is calling SEC, FBI, CIA, international war crimes court for decades now! Nothing is happening. He can also write to the Canadian Prime minister, I am sure he will make some headway in 5-10 years :)
Why do we get so many lunatics at hive? Wait, don’t answer it, I know why. Because we pay 😂
Yeah, that was a hard realization to come to.
I like Phil, he does videos on a theta edgenode.
I'd watch them if theta would enable linux nodes.
First they laugh at you, then they ignore you, then they attack you, and then you win.
If life was all vanilla it would be pretty boring.
I'm not surprised at the level of happiness in the hive.
Dan and ned left us a good thing here.
I'm starting to worry about you...lol
I wouldn't have to be like this if it wasn't for crapitalism forcing me into a monied paradigm.
We could be living in cooperative paradise, instead we eat each other like starving dogs.
Repeat after me, I'm glad to be a beta because I don't have to work as hard as the alphas,...I'd hate to be a gamma, their work is dirty.
source
The fact you understand this logic is why I have always been fond of you.
....cRapitalism is a humongous bag of putrid shite - Thats the result of the socialist polices enacted ever since the inception of the fed. res., for ya!
.....but don't worry, once we leave this technocratic push in ashes , a world of free market capitalism, awaits !
Wooooooohoooooooo
Too bad Hive will not be the big blog on blockchain, what I have said to my peers has sealed the grave that they put hive in.
I was pushing Hive deep in the Tezos community and was buying out 1 baker lol that won't be happening, the baker made 1 post and said no one on Hive is worth his time...
https://peakd.com/hive-150329/@lucylin/well-there-goes-my-post-that-actually-makes-business-senseand-upvote-my-5-comments-good-business
One lemonade please.
I have seen this pig somewhere before.
Coming right up, sir ! lol
And a !BEER for you
Ah, bugger - I don't drink and write...I'll save it...
Is !PIZZA more manageable 🍕?
lol...bugger...
I never eat any food nowadays that's not made in my own kitchen...In fact, my only vice nowadays, is a bottle of pepsi at the weekends.
(If I carry on like this, I'll soon be able to look down from my moral high ground onto Vegans!..lol).
I'll dish it out to some guests later, muchos gracias....
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Is comment farming mutually exclusive to hive?
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If I post repeatedly in the comment thread like this, is that by default comment farming?
If yes, why are multiple comments allowed per post?
I think comment farming comes into place with the generation of rewards per comment. Posting multiple comments doesn't mean anything as far as I know. You can delete any of them so long as there is no vote.
Okay so is this a consensus or will Hive Watchers click just tell us that it's hearsay when we bring up this logic as a code of ethics for Hive?
Thank you for responding, phusionphil. You are owed an answer that I do not have for you. Please give me the week to research it if you don't mind. In my ignorance, I have failed to ask that very question.
Before I go off to find something concrete I will respond with what I believe is the truth. What I wrote is based off of an observed consensus. I haven't seen something proceduralized that says,
I read it off of different articles and discord conversations. However, let me ask so I can get to some official statement, article, or whatever I can get to that gives you a solid answer.
So if I do not have control over the accounts that vote for my repetitive comments, is the scenario all of us are probably interested in.
I have seen a lot of self voting, I used to abstain, but after I was flagged a bunch I started self voting to recuperate the losses as I was for profit blogging.
I'll respond separately regarding self-voting and duplicate comments. I see those as two separate entities.
Self-voting
Self-voting needs to be addressed in an official capacity. It's a flaw of governance that allows the practice if the community is against it. The admins need to figure that out.
In POB, when I see someone self-voting, and it's on my curation window, I ignore the self-vote. I don't care if someone self-votes and it's a low level. If the self-vote is worth a couple of POB, then I'll skip over it. Again, the system literally allows the practice. As far as I know, the community went against someone's self-vote when it came from whales. I can't recall specific names or situation on that matter. Someone high up abused it big time and now there's mixed emotions on the topic.
Duplicate comments
You're correct. None of us have control over people that vote for duplicate comments. I don't consider this a flaw in governance. I consider this a flaw of the individual not paying attention. It's been drilled into my head that it was vote farming though. What I've done in POB is to contact the user and notify them of the issue. I would tell them that I would DV the lowest rewarded comment and move on. I remember doing it for a while, and then author's themselves corrected the problem.
In Lucylin's case, however, it's not that easy. He's got duplicate comments and it needs to be addressed. I want to DV the lowest rewarded duplicate, but it's difficult on this matter. I don't agree with all the DV's he's gotten over the last couple of months. Maybe it's fate, but for some strange reason, I ended up looking at voting patterns on his work since October 2020. His is a genuine case of continuous downvoting by repeated individuals. It's great writing until about March-April of 2021. After that point, it's rants and trolling. That's when the continuous downvotes began and they've kept on going since then.
You shouldn't have to self-vote to recoup losses in revenue. Another, significant flaw in the DPOS regime is voting without justification. It's something I've labored over in POB significantly. Whether you want to upvote or downvote, drop a comment explaining your interest in my opinion.
I am a fan of sovereign currency and I like the downvote utility.
Perhaps its time to make the downvote into a utility, I have blogged about it in the past but the reactions were very harsh due to the harsh nature of the downvoting.
Downvotes could be converted to plagiarism votes. Instead of being zeroed, the payout would be sent to a neutral wallet that could be designed by lawyers to easily mitigate copyright disputes. if we let the lawyers make that neutral wallet there would be a better chance for outsiders to be able to claim hive, and it would actually create jobs for lawyers who could solicit celebrities whose content was plagiarized on hive.
@rawbe was the one who inspired the idea above so I feel some credit is due to him if this idea is first of its kind for DPoS. He is quite knowledgeable on copyright topics and has good input if he feels like talking
Once the SEC finds out about DPoS they are going to have a wet dream that night imagining all the new words they would get to invented to control this type of economy.
Lol just wait until Justin Sun joins blurt and starts supporting our legal claims.
We could mediate with JS and make a real DPoS working in lockstep with the authorities so big players can't manipulate the economy to their advantage.
The term equity is being perverted lately too, so in the bad case a libtard judge rules on Hive it will not work out well for them.
I don't think Hive can do business without registering with the SEC. I thought they were required to know. Hive did register under them, unless I'm mistaken and that's definitely a possibility:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1720424/000106299321004289/exhibit99-1.htm
Thats Hive as in https://www.hiveblockchain.com/
They would also be responsible for engine tokens and what would happen would destroy hive's decentralized ecosystem especially things like the LEO CUB Finance stuff would be erased from history if they didn't conform to the standards and recommendations of the psychopaths that work there.
The reason the SEC has come up a lot lately around my name is because someone told me I am bluffing when I said the SEC would require Hive to register and required a discovery process for the large stake holders, or alternatively a mandatory KYC system for hive accounts.
Oh! Thank you for the clarification. The "Hive" name apparently goes around.
This Phil guy is clueless about regulations.
SEC is a governing body in the United States. Phil, for the record, is Canadian :)
Hive is not based in the United States :)
Hive is actually not based anywhere :)
Also me, you and phil and everyone are just a mere users of hive. Hive is decentralized, no one owns Hive. There is no CEO of Hive :)
He is sending FBI and CIA to my home and launching many SEC investigations for months now. Nobody has showed up to my doorstep or anybodies doorstop and never will :)
The funny thing about internet is anyone and write or claim anything, there is no verification required or really not much of a consequence. So people like Phil can get away with whatever misiformation they want.
Only thing we can do, is to make sure lies are not rewarded. That is all that we can do.
It's difficult to gauge someone's grasp sometimes. I appreciate the perspective. Ah, that's something else I didn't know about Hive governance. I was surprised in your writing that there was no CEO. I guess it's the Steemit past in me. I was a little worried that the same thing would occur with Hive that happened to Steemit.
I'm putting a lot more time on the platform now so it's good to know someone can't just up and takeover again.
Yeah they have a mining software, if you ever heard of simple mining it reminds me of that.
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lol geologist digging a hole
I think they want here scientists, celebrities and more Wokies but not “crazy conspiracy teorists”.
Btw. Do you know how blurt works? They don’t have downvotes, are they censoring spam?
See MK. You got it. I have always said you are smart. We don't want hive to be a platform for conspiracy theory. When I was a kid it meant something interesting. There was investigative journalism. However, now it just have become lunacy and political shouts.
The only way you can change my mind is to have a scientific discussion with me. Because by force if you try to do it that means you have to buy several million hive from the open market and power up at this high prices which is not a good decision probably. Also there are other better opportunities out there. Blurt being one, steem being one; where is no downvote.
This is relatively simple. People should be in a platform they like. They shouldn't be in a platform they don't like. I don't like steem or blurt, I am not there. It is as simple as that. These are all hard forks, the back end is identical. You are a smart guy you know this.
Anyways as opposed to these people you actually have some stake, so I am talking to you. You can use that money judiciously. Either here or elsewhere. It's your call.
If only lucylin could understand this one day...
EXACTLY (100%) the case on my side.
Dumped all my ste*m and blurt long ago. Still have the keys (as they are the same), but there is no power nor bounty on this planet, which could force me to be active again on these junk platforms.
Simplest of things are so hard to digest for many people. You and I are in agreement
If that's what 'they wanted', I'd say lets give it to 'em - in droves (a twatter campaign to the woke mob would help a lot).
I don't think that's what 'they' want at all (hell, even caitlin johnson left steem/hive)
I think they want a tiny group of sycophants and large stake holders to consolidate their crytpo holding - while wanting it to grow at the same time with lefty morons...(via crumbs for the lefty plebs to create the illusion of growth)... in the hope the token price rises with the said illusion.
You can't always get what you want, eh? lol
blurt doesn't appear to have much of spam problem - from what I've seen so far (I'm 'new' there as well, really).
The BIG difference, is that all posts and comments have to be paid for as you operate.
This may be the mechanism that prevents the spam I dunno, (just conjecture at this point).
Cheers for the upvote, matey.
I think on every post I do now, I'll stick 3 or 4 comments in at the same time, underneath - for people to vote that way - it gives the idiots more work to do, to carry out their downvoting (and commies hate work lol).
https://peakd.com/hive-150329/@lucylin/well-there-goes-my-post-that-actually-makes-business-senseand-upvote-my-5-comments-good-business
https://peakd.com/hive-150329/@lucylin/well-there-goes-my-post-that-actually-makes-business-senseand-upvote-my-5-comments-good-business
https://peakd.com/hive-150329/@lucylin/well-there-goes-my-post-that-actually-makes-business-senseand-upvote-my-5-comments-good-business
https://peakd.com/hive-150329/@lucylin/well-there-goes-my-post-that-actually-makes-business-senseand-upvote-my-5-comments-good-business