POSH allows the sharing of old posts and let's you earn POSH + Hive from the comments if you get traction on Twitter. Reposting/rewording content is frowned upon and can get you blacklisted from @hivewatchers. How is "not being shadowbanned on Twitter anymore" a reason to repost old news you accept rewards on?
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When making these posts I actually didn't even give the topics you are pointing to a thought whatsoever, partially because I don't subscribe personally to the rules that were inserted into the Steem communty's perspectives by whoever did so when Hive was launched - without consultation of the community and investors.
However, my intention here is in no way to 'self plagiarise' (a complete bastardisation of English and logic) - or to 'extract funds' - I only have one goal, which is to store important information in an uncensored location to allow me to propagated it as much as possible.
Hive has been designed since inception, to motivate investment by inspiring people by the thought that they can gain reach through upvotes/curation and therefore it is totally expected and intended that virtually everyone will accept rewards where possible. There is no point in making posts if no-one reads them.
Is there a way to reliably gain reach on hive without rewards? Not that I am aware of?
It really saddens me that there is such a lack of vision among people here, what can I say.
To clarify further, I spent 18 hours per day last year, every day - without a day off - unable to leave my house at all because I was caring for my Dying dad and there was a total lack of carers available. I wiped the shit from his ass every day and I reminded him who he was every day as the brain damage from the shots worsened. He died in no small part due to having his immune system destroyed by these evil shots.
I also spent months in the hospital with him when he was too weak to feed himself and the hospital staff were too lazy / distracted to feed him. I was the only visitor in the hospital that I saw for 3 months because they weren't letting most people in and the majority of other people who could come in were too gutless to enter the building for fear of being infected. I helped countless old men in there who cried and shook my hand. I had nurses asking me 'why are you so compassionate?'... BECAUSE I AM A REAL HUMAN BEING YOU FREAKS.
The only thing on my mind is fixing the planet and ridding it of the unconscious evil that has taken over the majority of people who think they are righteous and 'have made all the right decisions'.
That is my only motive here. Do what you like.
Okay well sorry for your loss, I can't begin to understand what that must be like and not to sound insensitive but it's not really relevant to the situation.
While I do appreciate your attempts to bring in traffic to your posts and hive from #web2 (not so much your snarky remarks about downvotes which I blocked you for), it's quite common practice that reposting/rehashing old content isn't allowed by the majority of the community. Hive rewards are unique as they give a person stake and there's no evergreen rewards (yet at least) in the form we are used to with #web2 (adrevenue on old content, etc). Which means that reposting content, possibly getting you the same rewards by the same upvoters/stake is a form of abuse. If you want to do that without getting downvotes you could forfeit rewards to hive.fund or null through beneficiaries, else it looks like you're just doing it for the post rewards, not to mention the autovotes who may not be aware they're reposts and apparently 100% self-votes with @resonator. If they're not reposts then I won't be downvoting these posts early but still keep an eye to see that they don't get overrewarded in my opinion considering the engagement/consumption they seem to receive. By the sound of the comments and your sudden posting spree and your responses it seemed like you weren't denying them not being reposts.
As for resonator, I can vote with that account. Maybe I should just upvote stabiliser like Marky in order to avoid any possibility of having curation reduced by other people's downvotes, while all I do is downvote others all day like a psychopath. Maybe if everyone copies him Hive will really take off - such social and community building skill - so deserving of support. lol.
Can't speak for his activity but it looks like those comments also get downvoted and people still upvote them because of the value the stabilizer brings to the ecosystem. During days where there's not that much to curate or we've been voting the same authors too often we find ourselves casting a couple votes on them as well as it's quite a win for Hive and things don't need to be overrewarded all the time. I think it's a good thing that Hive can be flexible with the reward pool where stakeholders can adjust what gets rewarded during certain periods that may bring the ecosystem and at the same time regular users the best outcome long term.
There's plenty of stuff to upvote other than that, though, resonator started off well with curation from what I remember but seems to have gotten a bit lazy lately.
Marky, from what I have seen, votes absolutely nothing other than stabiliser and has been doing that for many months. The only other votes he casts are downvotes, which he does constantly. I can't even imagine being so backwards of a person.. How can you sit all day doing nothing in the community but downvoting?
It is a strategy so that he doesn't have to put any time into the community and can increase his curation percentage at the same time. It's obvious.
Resonator curation can take between 1 and 2 hours per day. Lately, the quality of posts on Hive that fit the scope of Resonator voting has dropped very low - the majority of posts are people just taking news stories and slightly adjusting them, with no additional insight or useful information. This is part of why I have taken the time to gain presence on Twitter and have been speaking directly with some of the most well known people on the web (in the spaces I focus into) - to try to get more capable content creators here that will boost SEO and bring excitement/growth. I feel like saying that marketing and communism are somewhat opposites. :/
I am with @starkerz when it comes to the value in Hive. The value is primarily in free speech and the power we gain through free speech cannot be matched by any amount of money. However, only those who speak out and use free speech will ever really know this in a meaningful way.
In short, the downvoting sprees of the past have destroyed the base of what once made this platform promising for a large percentage of the population. You may not be one of those people and you may think differently to the people who have shunned Hive by now, but the reality is that the world is waking up to the truth of what I have been saying all the way through COVID - it will not be long before it is undeniable by all but the pharma execs who should be executed for what they have been doing. This is an unprecedented opportunity for learning and growth among the human population - so is also a potentially make or break moment for Hive. I'm pretty sure that Musk fully understands this and he isn't going to miss an opportunity to leave Hive in the dust. We can either support those who dedicate themselves to truth and free speech or not - for me there is no possible way to choose the latter.
FWIW that goes about any influencer I'd come across, even some small time YouTubers I brought in from gods unchained I often check their discords where they have a hive section and actively post/engage here if I continue to support them or not.
It's fine to overreward such influencers as a "honemoney period" but if they continue to just post and expect "free money" for life without any attempts to bring some actual value to the ecosystem it's really not that crazy to expect the autovotes/support to decline, if not by themselves them with the help of some downvotes.
Feel like I'm just repeating stuff I've often mentioned, probably towards you as well so gonna stop now.
You're using the same stick most do when it comes to downvotes, "oh I was going to bring in so much traffic/users/money" if only it wasn't for those darn downvotes. Most influencers who post about those interests have proven that even after years of no downvotes and big upvotes/autovotes they've barely brought anything of value to the ecosystem in terms of users, it's evident by the lack of engagement even though they constantly trend, let alone the negligence in attempting to bring anyone here. If they aren't going to do it, maybe it's time to give other people/groups a chance rather than continuously overreward them with early stake for placeholder/cross-posts close to no one here consumes. If most of them leave/stop posting/lash out on the first downvotes maybe they don't really value censorship resistance and are just like most other fake influencers with a fake following they know won't bring any traffic over and are just interested in the rewards.
That said I know we're still early on and most users post mainly cause of the rewards but I haven't been someone to zero the rewards completely (except a few cases where the lashing out was idiotic) yet they still complained about small downvotes, often times 10-15% of the total post rewards while their posts are empty and their web2 socials don't even attempt to backing to Hive ever. It's hard to ignore that because I care about the platform, our curation focuses on so many things when we upvote content that seeing such blatant farming of "ghost influencers" is hard for me to not act upon, even if it often is only a symbolic downvote slightly adjusting the rewards but still gets the craziest reactions from them.
Musk and most others are never going to fully give the community control/fair distribution of stake, if they wanted to they would've already copied hive/steem by now and used their name/brand to push it.
Uh, not in my mind - in the slightest. The reality is that to the outside world, they have zero reason to come here unless they are able to see unique selling points. The main unique selling point is 'Hive offers a new way to be social where you don't have bosses and middle men pushing you around'.. Then they get here without actually knowing how the incredibly complex and totally undocumented algorithms really work and just see a mirror image of the rest of the world, where some people have the power to push them around and punish them for breaking rules they never saw or agreed to. lol. Surely you must accept that this is an accurate description of the experience of a large number of people who come here?! Maybe we live on different planets.
I literally am oriented to bringing some of the many Doctors and other experts who have been totally cancelled by silicon valley on here - e.g. Dr. Naomi Wolfe, who you can see me communicating with on Twitter and inviting here. What is demotivating me is not the 'loss of money' from downvotes, it's the petty mentality that has been cultivated here behind what goes along with it...
Ohh... you might possibly have posted this video before several years ago.. I'm telling Daddy.. for fuck's sake - grow up people. I literally just watched videos of 10 men's heads exploded with shrapnel in Ukraine - haven't you got anything more significant to participate in and add to life??
As far as bringing people here goes, I have virtually no interest in 99% of 'influencers' online - they are mostly vapid and moronic people. I am aiming to bring in people who are intelligent and legitimate thought leaders who have been rudely awakened by their own censorship during COVID - that they are facing an existential threat due to the wrong people having been trusted with too much power. Again, if you read Musk's tweets in the last few months - you'll see he agrees 100% with what I'm saying. He has publicly said that blockchain powered social media won't work because it won't scale.. I don't necessarily trust him either and he may just be saying that to distract away from competition.. However, you can be sure that he is fully intending to evolve Twitter to be attractive to Hive's key target demographics in particular. He is also monetising Twitter so that users get ad revenue in the next few weeks.
Because I have 3 whales downvoting everything I upvote and everything I post for the last year, everyone knows this.
This is bullshit, I've been one of the most benevolent curators for the last few years prior.
I have no recollection of that but curation is designed to be a way to earn rewards on your investment.. I'm not really sure it's possible to be a benevolent curator as such - other than by not upvoting yourself. Anyway, what I want is a community that looks out for each other, I am not intending to attack you or anyone here - I'm just tired of feeling like I'm being attacked while all I'm actually trying to do is to help people.
They obviously don't because I don't and I've never heard anyone mentioning it.
Why do they do that and who are they?
I don't even know if they are reposts and I don't think anyone else here does either - that is partially because the informational tools on hive are so limited - I often resort to having to search steemit.com in google for my older posts and then load them into peakd and google has deleted at least 50% of my older posts from it's index and my Hive posts aren't all indexed either. It's possible some of the videos were posted several years ago, I genuinely don't know.
I can easily just not use Hive and help grow other networks instead, I may do that - or I may not. It's terrifying to me that I actually consider Twitter and Elon Musk to be more supporting of free will than a site I once considered to be built for anarchists. A man who literally paid large sums of money to abduct primates and torture them for profit in the name of making himself into lawnmower man.. disturbing.
As I said, do what you want. The 'snarky' comments were in response to your comments about autovotes because the situation you described was almost identical to the one that Azircon used as justification to downvote me to oblivion, so in fact were not really snarky, just speaking from experience - you would have known that if you didn't block me because I explained it a bit to Bird moments after you blocked me.
I wouldn't say Hive was built for anarchists, just that that was the general crowd it managed to gather early on and a lot of stake in anarchist's wallets possibly, much still left today. Either way, Hive is for anything and everything but doesn't mean that anything/everything needs to be rewarded as much.
and yeah, most people know my stance on autovotes in general, they're not great, and while I do downvote some posts here and there, sometimes my own or have learned to forfeit rewards on some posts, downvotes aren't fun for anyone involved and may need some fine-tuning eventually. For now they're not that common and most are used carefully/without malicious intent/ulterior motives or as revenge, but they're quite needed in some cases even with the headaches they may bring to both the downvoter and the downvoted person.
Either way, it's difficult to trust you're doing this for the immutability considering your cries of censorship in the past (even when posts were only downvoted days after most of the attention they'd get from hot/trending), you accepting rewards on possible reposts and self-voting them and stating you're just doing this to bring traffic to Hive from #web2.
Hive was an anarcho capitalist design by Dan & Ned - They stated it many times in public and it was part of how it was sold to the world. That's why it attracted anarcho people.
Those people gradually left as other minded people came in and tried to mess with the design without an appreciation for actual freedom. What is rewarded is up to the community and always has been. As I have said before, the free downvotes are a reasonable idea up to a point, but they currently are way too open to abuse - basically they should be reduced in scale. Just as the valuation of upvotes on posts is subjective, so is downvoting - so what appears to be abusive downvoting to one person may not be to someone else.
Since I built the downvote monitoring tool I can see very well who downvotes who and I am sure that most people never see that data. To me I am pretty clear that there is a wealth of abusive downvoting happening regularly.
As far as autovoting goes, I have no idea who autovotes me, I have never asked for it.. but none the less it was used as a phoney excuse to shut down discussion of serious scientific matters by people who's agenda seems extremely shady.
Of course I am uploading to 3speak for immutability, I know the people that run it and so have far more trust in it than any other video service. Everyone I know who has sought to share information that is counter to the gov position has been partially or totally cancelled from Web 2 sites - in fact I know people who fared far worse than that too and who barely survived physically. I am also sharing for reach and to propagate information.
Aside from possibly reposting some videos, which no-one has actually demonstrated but which may have happened - nothing I have done violates any rules (even the made up ones that the community never agreed to and that no contract exists for).
Far more concerning to me than any rewards is the mindset here to be honest. I mentioned my time in hospital because I am clear that the vast majority of people, having been through that, would not see life in the same way again and would be far more of my current mindset.
In the grand scheme of things, money is completely meaningless and 99% of what humans are doing on Earth is pointless - the only thing that is important is learning about ourselves to heal ourselves and to not get caught up in the trap of limiting thinking and in particular, other people's attempt to limit and control us... which leads only to our own demise every single time. People who don't understand this (which is most people it seems) are probably not people I should be around any more.
Show us some examples, I'd gladly counter and have done so in the past when I deem them over the top/abusive (even from the same accounts who've downvoted you in the past) the difference of those authors were that they didn't throw a hissy fit, try to shit on the platform that's rewarded them for years and attempt to create gray lines of what censorship means when you well know there's people literally being censorshipped on #web2 and whole nations.
How do you shut down discussion when most downvotes happen 2-5 days late and more often than not have close to no engagements up til then? Maybe this isn't specifically you as you've been around the ecosystem and active in the community/other parts of Hive but most of the people you/resonator support/supported were literal ghost accounts. Even some of my posts that have hundreds of comments stop receiving any comments after a few days.
It's really hard to take you seriously when your arguments are this weak.
It's 6:30 am here and I have been up all night in this conversation - I will come back to that when I can - maybe tomorrow.
I am not aware of a single person who had their account totally nuked after having invested years into the network who didn't get angry. You are comparing apples and oranges.
We have been over this many times. Censorship clearly includes any attempt to reduce the reach of a message, which downvoting does and which is part of the entire purpose and function of downvoting. Any other interpretation is denying something that is key. Yes, Web 2 is worse - but then at least they are up front about being biased.
I made a post at the time showing that my posts at that time had been generating a factor of multiple times more comments than all of the top posts at that time. Yet I was told no-one was interested in them. Some posts didn't get many comments - as do almost all of the posts on Hive. Any heavy downvoting restricts reach and potential conversation. Just the downvoting in and of itself just winds people up and they leave the entire site. I guess if you don't know people who are interested in 'truth' then you won't have noticed or felt similar.
I have no idea who you are talking about here. Every post was manually curated and deliberately picked for being a verifiably real person. Marky is currently downvoting everything by Jeff Berwick (The person who Dan and Ned rewarded with thousands of dollars for one post and who is the reason why I and many people ever even heard about Steem). Jeff has built an entire TV site powered by Hive, but apparently that's not good enough.. Ok then. I don't agree with everything he says but he probably has more resources and spark of life than 99% of people anyone here will ever meet and his objectives are totally aligned with Hive's .. But still. not good enough because.. reasons..
How about you go fuck yourself.