Okay well sorry for your loss, I can't begin to understand what that must be like and not to sound insensitive but it's not really relevant to the situation.
While I do appreciate your attempts to bring in traffic to your posts and hive from #web2 (not so much your snarky remarks about downvotes which I blocked you for), it's quite common practice that reposting/rehashing old content isn't allowed by the majority of the community. Hive rewards are unique as they give a person stake and there's no evergreen rewards (yet at least) in the form we are used to with #web2 (adrevenue on old content, etc). Which means that reposting content, possibly getting you the same rewards by the same upvoters/stake is a form of abuse. If you want to do that without getting downvotes you could forfeit rewards to hive.fund or null through beneficiaries, else it looks like you're just doing it for the post rewards, not to mention the autovotes who may not be aware they're reposts and apparently 100% self-votes with @resonator. If they're not reposts then I won't be downvoting these posts early but still keep an eye to see that they don't get overrewarded in my opinion considering the engagement/consumption they seem to receive. By the sound of the comments and your sudden posting spree and your responses it seemed like you weren't denying them not being reposts.
As for resonator, I can vote with that account. Maybe I should just upvote stabiliser like Marky in order to avoid any possibility of having curation reduced by other people's downvotes, while all I do is downvote others all day like a psychopath. Maybe if everyone copies him Hive will really take off - such social and community building skill - so deserving of support. lol.
Can't speak for his activity but it looks like those comments also get downvoted and people still upvote them because of the value the stabilizer brings to the ecosystem. During days where there's not that much to curate or we've been voting the same authors too often we find ourselves casting a couple votes on them as well as it's quite a win for Hive and things don't need to be overrewarded all the time. I think it's a good thing that Hive can be flexible with the reward pool where stakeholders can adjust what gets rewarded during certain periods that may bring the ecosystem and at the same time regular users the best outcome long term.
There's plenty of stuff to upvote other than that, though, resonator started off well with curation from what I remember but seems to have gotten a bit lazy lately.
Marky, from what I have seen, votes absolutely nothing other than stabiliser and has been doing that for many months. The only other votes he casts are downvotes, which he does constantly. I can't even imagine being so backwards of a person.. How can you sit all day doing nothing in the community but downvoting?
It is a strategy so that he doesn't have to put any time into the community and can increase his curation percentage at the same time. It's obvious.
Resonator curation can take between 1 and 2 hours per day. Lately, the quality of posts on Hive that fit the scope of Resonator voting has dropped very low - the majority of posts are people just taking news stories and slightly adjusting them, with no additional insight or useful information. This is part of why I have taken the time to gain presence on Twitter and have been speaking directly with some of the most well known people on the web (in the spaces I focus into) - to try to get more capable content creators here that will boost SEO and bring excitement/growth. I feel like saying that marketing and communism are somewhat opposites. :/
I am with @starkerz when it comes to the value in Hive. The value is primarily in free speech and the power we gain through free speech cannot be matched by any amount of money. However, only those who speak out and use free speech will ever really know this in a meaningful way.
In short, the downvoting sprees of the past have destroyed the base of what once made this platform promising for a large percentage of the population. You may not be one of those people and you may think differently to the people who have shunned Hive by now, but the reality is that the world is waking up to the truth of what I have been saying all the way through COVID - it will not be long before it is undeniable by all but the pharma execs who should be executed for what they have been doing. This is an unprecedented opportunity for learning and growth among the human population - so is also a potentially make or break moment for Hive. I'm pretty sure that Musk fully understands this and he isn't going to miss an opportunity to leave Hive in the dust. We can either support those who dedicate themselves to truth and free speech or not - for me there is no possible way to choose the latter.
FWIW that goes about any influencer I'd come across, even some small time YouTubers I brought in from gods unchained I often check their discords where they have a hive section and actively post/engage here if I continue to support them or not.
It's fine to overreward such influencers as a "honemoney period" but if they continue to just post and expect "free money" for life without any attempts to bring some actual value to the ecosystem it's really not that crazy to expect the autovotes/support to decline, if not by themselves them with the help of some downvotes.
Feel like I'm just repeating stuff I've often mentioned, probably towards you as well so gonna stop now.
You're using the same stick most do when it comes to downvotes, "oh I was going to bring in so much traffic/users/money" if only it wasn't for those darn downvotes. Most influencers who post about those interests have proven that even after years of no downvotes and big upvotes/autovotes they've barely brought anything of value to the ecosystem in terms of users, it's evident by the lack of engagement even though they constantly trend, let alone the negligence in attempting to bring anyone here. If they aren't going to do it, maybe it's time to give other people/groups a chance rather than continuously overreward them with early stake for placeholder/cross-posts close to no one here consumes. If most of them leave/stop posting/lash out on the first downvotes maybe they don't really value censorship resistance and are just like most other fake influencers with a fake following they know won't bring any traffic over and are just interested in the rewards.
That said I know we're still early on and most users post mainly cause of the rewards but I haven't been someone to zero the rewards completely (except a few cases where the lashing out was idiotic) yet they still complained about small downvotes, often times 10-15% of the total post rewards while their posts are empty and their web2 socials don't even attempt to backing to Hive ever. It's hard to ignore that because I care about the platform, our curation focuses on so many things when we upvote content that seeing such blatant farming of "ghost influencers" is hard for me to not act upon, even if it often is only a symbolic downvote slightly adjusting the rewards but still gets the craziest reactions from them.
Musk and most others are never going to fully give the community control/fair distribution of stake, if they wanted to they would've already copied hive/steem by now and used their name/brand to push it.
Uh, not in my mind - in the slightest. The reality is that to the outside world, they have zero reason to come here unless they are able to see unique selling points. The main unique selling point is 'Hive offers a new way to be social where you don't have bosses and middle men pushing you around'.. Then they get here without actually knowing how the incredibly complex and totally undocumented algorithms really work and just see a mirror image of the rest of the world, where some people have the power to push them around and punish them for breaking rules they never saw or agreed to. lol. Surely you must accept that this is an accurate description of the experience of a large number of people who come here?! Maybe we live on different planets.
I literally am oriented to bringing some of the many Doctors and other experts who have been totally cancelled by silicon valley on here - e.g. Dr. Naomi Wolfe, who you can see me communicating with on Twitter and inviting here. What is demotivating me is not the 'loss of money' from downvotes, it's the petty mentality that has been cultivated here behind what goes along with it...
Ohh... you might possibly have posted this video before several years ago.. I'm telling Daddy.. for fuck's sake - grow up people. I literally just watched videos of 10 men's heads exploded with shrapnel in Ukraine - haven't you got anything more significant to participate in and add to life??
As far as bringing people here goes, I have virtually no interest in 99% of 'influencers' online - they are mostly vapid and moronic people. I am aiming to bring in people who are intelligent and legitimate thought leaders who have been rudely awakened by their own censorship during COVID - that they are facing an existential threat due to the wrong people having been trusted with too much power. Again, if you read Musk's tweets in the last few months - you'll see he agrees 100% with what I'm saying. He has publicly said that blockchain powered social media won't work because it won't scale.. I don't necessarily trust him either and he may just be saying that to distract away from competition.. However, you can be sure that he is fully intending to evolve Twitter to be attractive to Hive's key target demographics in particular. He is also monetising Twitter so that users get ad revenue in the next few weeks.
Because I have 3 whales downvoting everything I upvote and everything I post for the last year, everyone knows this.
This is bullshit, I've been one of the most benevolent curators for the last few years prior.
I have no recollection of that but curation is designed to be a way to earn rewards on your investment.. I'm not really sure it's possible to be a benevolent curator as such - other than by not upvoting yourself. Anyway, what I want is a community that looks out for each other, I am not intending to attack you or anyone here - I'm just tired of feeling like I'm being attacked while all I'm actually trying to do is to help people.
Which you do for $15-20/post. And by benevolent I mean I don't self vote, I cannot be influenced by votes, I don't play favorites, I voted over 200 unique authors a week, many of my votes were for people who got very little support, I could go on. But really this is just using pulling me in as a strawman argument to take the attention off you. I was no part of this, nor does what I do justify what you do.
So you pull me into this argument that has nothing to do with me to attack me to deflect? I can't even be bothered to read what this is about.
I have literally made a handful of posts which have received larger upvotes recently - that's it. The account isn't mine and the rules are mostly nonsensical - which is why Steem was designed a different way, originally - by people who, to me, understood the situation a lot better.
So you curate for the benefit of others? Why not give your curation rewards away to the people you upvote who get very little support? Now that would be really benevolent.
Perhaps you have forgotten downvoting a post I made at about 100% and then when I complained and you understood the situation, you apologised and didn't reverse the downvote. It didn't feel benevolant and everyone in the room laughed at you.. but anyway.
They obviously don't because I don't and I've never heard anyone mentioning it.
Why do they do that and who are they?
I don't even know if they are reposts and I don't think anyone else here does either - that is partially because the informational tools on hive are so limited - I often resort to having to search steemit.com in google for my older posts and then load them into peakd and google has deleted at least 50% of my older posts from it's index and my Hive posts aren't all indexed either. It's possible some of the videos were posted several years ago, I genuinely don't know.
I can easily just not use Hive and help grow other networks instead, I may do that - or I may not. It's terrifying to me that I actually consider Twitter and Elon Musk to be more supporting of free will than a site I once considered to be built for anarchists. A man who literally paid large sums of money to abduct primates and torture them for profit in the name of making himself into lawnmower man.. disturbing.
As I said, do what you want. The 'snarky' comments were in response to your comments about autovotes because the situation you described was almost identical to the one that Azircon used as justification to downvote me to oblivion, so in fact were not really snarky, just speaking from experience - you would have known that if you didn't block me because I explained it a bit to Bird moments after you blocked me.
I wouldn't say Hive was built for anarchists, just that that was the general crowd it managed to gather early on and a lot of stake in anarchist's wallets possibly, much still left today. Either way, Hive is for anything and everything but doesn't mean that anything/everything needs to be rewarded as much.
and yeah, most people know my stance on autovotes in general, they're not great, and while I do downvote some posts here and there, sometimes my own or have learned to forfeit rewards on some posts, downvotes aren't fun for anyone involved and may need some fine-tuning eventually. For now they're not that common and most are used carefully/without malicious intent/ulterior motives or as revenge, but they're quite needed in some cases even with the headaches they may bring to both the downvoter and the downvoted person.
Either way, it's difficult to trust you're doing this for the immutability considering your cries of censorship in the past (even when posts were only downvoted days after most of the attention they'd get from hot/trending), you accepting rewards on possible reposts and self-voting them and stating you're just doing this to bring traffic to Hive from #web2.
Hive was an anarcho capitalist design by Dan & Ned - They stated it many times in public and it was part of how it was sold to the world. That's why it attracted anarcho people.
Those people gradually left as other minded people came in and tried to mess with the design without an appreciation for actual freedom. What is rewarded is up to the community and always has been. As I have said before, the free downvotes are a reasonable idea up to a point, but they currently are way too open to abuse - basically they should be reduced in scale. Just as the valuation of upvotes on posts is subjective, so is downvoting - so what appears to be abusive downvoting to one person may not be to someone else.
Since I built the downvote monitoring tool I can see very well who downvotes who and I am sure that most people never see that data. To me I am pretty clear that there is a wealth of abusive downvoting happening regularly.
As far as autovoting goes, I have no idea who autovotes me, I have never asked for it.. but none the less it was used as a phoney excuse to shut down discussion of serious scientific matters by people who's agenda seems extremely shady.
Of course I am uploading to 3speak for immutability, I know the people that run it and so have far more trust in it than any other video service. Everyone I know who has sought to share information that is counter to the gov position has been partially or totally cancelled from Web 2 sites - in fact I know people who fared far worse than that too and who barely survived physically. I am also sharing for reach and to propagate information.
Aside from possibly reposting some videos, which no-one has actually demonstrated but which may have happened - nothing I have done violates any rules (even the made up ones that the community never agreed to and that no contract exists for).
Far more concerning to me than any rewards is the mindset here to be honest. I mentioned my time in hospital because I am clear that the vast majority of people, having been through that, would not see life in the same way again and would be far more of my current mindset.
In the grand scheme of things, money is completely meaningless and 99% of what humans are doing on Earth is pointless - the only thing that is important is learning about ourselves to heal ourselves and to not get caught up in the trap of limiting thinking and in particular, other people's attempt to limit and control us... which leads only to our own demise every single time. People who don't understand this (which is most people it seems) are probably not people I should be around any more.
Show us some examples, I'd gladly counter and have done so in the past when I deem them over the top/abusive (even from the same accounts who've downvoted you in the past) the difference of those authors were that they didn't throw a hissy fit, try to shit on the platform that's rewarded them for years and attempt to create gray lines of what censorship means when you well know there's people literally being censorshipped on #web2 and whole nations.
How do you shut down discussion when most downvotes happen 2-5 days late and more often than not have close to no engagements up til then? Maybe this isn't specifically you as you've been around the ecosystem and active in the community/other parts of Hive but most of the people you/resonator support/supported were literal ghost accounts. Even some of my posts that have hundreds of comments stop receiving any comments after a few days.
It's really hard to take you seriously when your arguments are this weak.
It's 6:30 am here and I have been up all night in this conversation - I will come back to that when I can - maybe tomorrow.
I am not aware of a single person who had their account totally nuked after having invested years into the network who didn't get angry. You are comparing apples and oranges.
We have been over this many times. Censorship clearly includes any attempt to reduce the reach of a message, which downvoting does and which is part of the entire purpose and function of downvoting. Any other interpretation is denying something that is key. Yes, Web 2 is worse - but then at least they are up front about being biased.
I made a post at the time showing that my posts at that time had been generating a factor of multiple times more comments than all of the top posts at that time. Yet I was told no-one was interested in them. Some posts didn't get many comments - as do almost all of the posts on Hive. Any heavy downvoting restricts reach and potential conversation. Just the downvoting in and of itself just winds people up and they leave the entire site. I guess if you don't know people who are interested in 'truth' then you won't have noticed or felt similar.
I have no idea who you are talking about here. Every post was manually curated and deliberately picked for being a verifiably real person. Marky is currently downvoting everything by Jeff Berwick (The person who Dan and Ned rewarded with thousands of dollars for one post and who is the reason why I and many people ever even heard about Steem). Jeff has built an entire TV site powered by Hive, but apparently that's not good enough.. Ok then. I don't agree with everything he says but he probably has more resources and spark of life than 99% of people anyone here will ever meet and his objectives are totally aligned with Hive's .. But still. not good enough because.. reasons..
https://peakd.com/@dbroze
literal farming with close to 0 engagement and no views on @threespeak, reputation higher than most, never so much as mentions Hive/3speak on Twitter or his website anywhere, last comments were about downvotes and you just give stake away cause why not and then cry about someone trying to mitigate/stop it. It's actually quite disgusting to say the least. I know that if any other influencer tried to pull the same thing he wouldn't get the same rewards but you guys consistently go out of your way to feed him even though he's shown nothing to deserve them let alone for this long.
You said that 'most of the people' supported were ghost accounts. This is patently untrue - in addition to what I have written below about Derrick Broze, looking through the stats for the outvotes, I can only see pressfortruth and tdvtv/dollarigilante as possibly fitting into the same category. These are independent content creators with larger audiences who probably lack the time to go through and comment on every social media channel they post to. It's like saying 'I can't believe you give money to big corporations, they don't ever bother to come and talk to you'.. Well that's true and there's an argument to never using big corporations that makes sense sometimes, but at the same time few people are even able to stop using all big corporations, because they provide value that people want. All of those content creators are hard working and actually produce the kind of content that provides masses of value and far higher than the majority of content creators on Hive. I don't agree with everything they say, but it seems that you want me to vote on people I don't really value just because they come and post a few words as comment on Hive. You realise that this can be done by AI right? That there is no actual way to know if people posting comments are even people? But setting that aside also, you are not only making the judgement that people are of more value if they have more time on their hands to come here and comment (which might actually only be evidence that they don't have much to add at all and therefore have a lot of time) and also that all other stakeholders should agree with you and that you are right. That is VERY demanding and pushy, but you don't even seem to recognise it. Even Aggroed stepped in to point this out on Twitter to you a while ago in his own way.
You are basically saying 'I know better than you about how you should use your stake' and I'm going to get involved and try to change you because you are wrong. That feels shit and you shouldn't be surprised that some people stand up to you.
Out of interest, is there a rule that says that content has to have comments under it to be in order for it to be held in esteem and voted on? I don't recall ever seeing that. My ultimate interpretation of who to vote on really comes down to 'do you subjectively value the content?' - that's how the system was designed and intended to be used all along, as far as I understand it. The relationship is between content creator and voter - one person holds stake and the other receives inflation based on the appreciation of the stakeholder.
I personally find it disgusting that others have come along and tried to police this relationship - but maybe I have missed something.
In the case of Derrick Broze he is active constantly, engaging the world at large, getting in the face of war criminals and he is currently building a physical community. This is someone that any sane person would be applauding and happy to support - given that he fully knows about Hive and may engage/promote in future to the exact target demographic. As I have already said, which you didn't comment on once I highlighted the reality of the origins of Steem (Which I could backup with video evidence if needed) - Steem and Hive are anarcho capitalist technology by design - so it feels shit to have people coming along and inserting themselves as content bosses.. Especially when difficult points are ignored/denied and not responded to - as has happened in this thread a lot and as has always happened here. E.g. The fundamental philosophical questions about anarchy on Hive... And similar with Marky here. Finding resolutions that feel good to everyone require not skipping over any details.
I can't speak to Derrick Broze's views on 3speak but I just had a conversation with @starkerz about the view counts on 3speak possibly being broken, as one of my recent videos on 3speak that I linked on Twitter has received nearly 9000s views on Twitter in recent days, with hundreds of likes and over 20 retweets, yet it has only 26 views in 3speak - which definitely doesn't add up. This is consistent with my experience on 3speak in general, I am pretty clear the stat tracking is not working as intended.
When I upvote someone it's because I value their work/content and I want other people to have a chance to see it in their feed - that's it, it generally has little to do with stake in my mind, actually.
So casting a 20% downvote of total post rewards at day 5-6 reduces the reach of the message, yep. Keep ignoring obvious facts and I'll continue to not read the rest of your message and your future replies as you're still the same person who was self-voting and farming post rewards back then.
It's mostly posts like these of you going in circles and trying your hardest to prove downvoters wrong and tricking some people in discord's to come to your aid that get you engagement, same with all other influencers your accounts support I've downvoted slightly who show up after a month or two not commenting acting like I've fucked their daughters and never called back.
You literally just downvoted a post I made here that is 2 days old, so you invalidated the basis of your own claim here. Even downvoting towards the end of the payout period has some effect on post reach and visibility. If the intention is to only reduce payout and not effect post reach and the downvote happens as close to 7 days as possible, there is still a form of censorship which will effect different people to different degrees. This is because one of the points of paying out money for posts (in my mind and in logically grounded reality) is that the money can then be used by content creators to create content, so the reduction in payout limits their capacity to do that and therefore their reach - at least in contrast to other people. There is no possible way around this and it just seems disingenuous that you are still trying. I don't really think you could keep making this point over and over again over months without actually thinking you are right, but to plenty of others it seems illogical and off.