I mean when they discussed in Slack about having someone get payed 100$ a day for working with exchanges Justine thought that was too greedy and here shes asking for 500$ dollars a day.
Maybe I should write a post about dear Birdinc.
*$100 a day for a year - full time salary.
Right after launch, No listings accomplished, no legal work, no negotiation. Sent a few emails.
Important to note this requested pay did not actually include doing all the work to “work with exchanges”, he wanted to be the “lead getter.” Meaning he wanted to send initial emails and then transfer the work onto someone else to do all the applications, negotiations, legal documents etc. As he “didn’t have time for it.” So greed had nothing to do with it, it was that he was not doing any of the work and was taking credit for things he had no part in in an attempt to get funding.
I stated repeatedly if he would actually do all the work needed, I would have no problem with it. He didn’t, he wouldn’t .. and then he went on to work against the community.
On the other hand-
*$500 a day for 60 days to represent 120 days of contract work
Multiple major listings, negotiation of listing fees from $150k to 0, did all legal paperwork, all applications, all communication, all planning etc
Maybe stop listening to individuals who got kicked out of slack for going behind the community and stakeholders back to make a deal with an exchange so he gets a cut. Or go join them on burp.. their new whaleshares.
As these accusations are so ridiculous, even for you.
I can back these claims and I will go further to tag Mr @birdinc. Apparently @birdinc is going around lying about the role he played in the beginning when Hive was getting listed. @birdinc has been trying to start his own Steem-based chain since last year (made apparent with his recent push for his Steem-based fork he and others are working on).
@birdinc is a nice guy and I don't hate him, but he didn't do anything in regards to actually doing work getting the Hive token listed. He claims he sent emails or reached out to people, but when the time came for the work, he dumped it on other people as he fancied himself the one that established the connections in the first place (he wasn't).
Hive doesn't need ex-SteemIt employees behaving as if they are working for SteemIt. Hive needs people that are willing to CLOSE THE DEAL and not just drop it in the lap of others. I would not have made this post if not for @birdinc going around Discord spreading bullshit and misinformation.
@birdinc, why not just focus on Blurt and getting that shit-token listed on exchanges? If Blurt is not listed on Binance/Huobi/Bittrex by the end of this year, can we use that as evidence that you also would have likely failed to get Hive listed were it up to you alone? If you get Blurt listed on Binance/Huobi/Bittrex I will go ahead and give you 1,000 HIVE for that accomplishment (should be worth about $50k by then I suspect).
Also, I am not sure you would have been able to accomplish a SINGLE listing without having the legal documentation that concluded that EOS tokens (and by extension Hive tokens) are not a security. I obtained that document, and I provided that document. That would have been a good task for a business connections guy to perform imo. I am just a developer yet I am able to more effectively dig of legal documentation to support Hive efforts than an ex-SteemIt business lead?
If you had a problem with @justineh proposal, why didn't you come make a public comment about it? Why hide your tail between your legs and go snake around in private chats spreading misinformation? Is it because there are very little people that can dispute your claims in private chats? Is it because there are a LOT of people that can dispute your claims in public? One must wonder.
Finally, @birdinc, you advised us all to pay $150k from the DHF for Huobi listing alone. The very same listing @justineh closed on for $0. You wanted to pay $150k. AND you wanted to receive income from the DHF when it was clear you were not closing any listings.
To add context, you were admonished by @justineh, and me, and others, when you went to create the earlier proposal because IT WAS TOO EARLY and you were just trying to put your name forward to earn some kind of favor with the community that were not privvy to the exchange talks going on. Despite me disagreeing with your proposal, I still GAVE you 10 HBD (you couldn't even afford 10 HBD to make a fucking proposal?) so you can make the proposal and get stakeholder voting opinion. Did your proposal ever get funded?
Come on @birdinc. Quit hiding being private chats. Let's air this in the open.
"Finally, @birdinc, you advised us all to pay $150k from the DHF for Huobi listing alone."
I did not advise this but only shared the screenshot of what the Huobi Listing Manager sent to me in a private Telegram DM to the Hive Slack.
Once I saw the comments from people in the Slack, I realized it was not worth my time trying to help coordinate everything because there were so many different people involved and Justine was better for the position.
After dropping the reply from the Huobi Listing Manager in the Hive Slack and seeing the responses, I closed the Hive Slack and did not open it again, and was kicked out a few days later.
"Finally, @birdinc, you advised us all to pay $150k from the DHF for Huobi listing alone. The very same listing @justineh closed on for $0. You wanted to pay $150k."
Show me where I advised to pay. Free is always the best and the goal with exchanges.
The last thing I did in the Hive Slack was copy and past the initial ask from the Huobi Listing Manager who I am still in contact with.
The way I worked exchange comms worked for Ned and Steemit, Inc. but it not work for Hive and that's fine.
"Despite me disagreeing with your proposal, I still GAVE you 10 HBD (you couldn't even afford 10 HBD to make a fucking proposal?) so you can make the proposal and get stakeholder voting opinion."
I do owe you 10 HBD still but I thought we were kind of friends or at least old Steem associates and I was mad at you guys for kicking me out of the Hive Slack and you @netuoso, I figured you would back me up as a professional.
"Did your proposal ever get funded?"
I deleted my proposal right away because @justineh asked me to.
All the exchanges know me as the Steemit guy and I did everything I could that night to make sure that all the other exchagnes knew that Binance was supporting the airdrop.
"@birdinc, why not just focus on Blurt and getting that shit-token listed on exchanges? If Blurt is not listed on Binance/Huobi/Bittrex by the end of this year, can we use that as evidence that you also would have likely failed to get Hive listed were it up to you alone? If you get Blurt listed on Binance/Huobi/Bittrex I will go ahead and give you 1,000 HIVE for that accomplishment (should be worth about $50k by then I suspect)."
Exchanges don't work like this, the story and the community is the most important thing and given my experience of talking to over 200 exchanges, many of which I have met in person,I knew exactly who to talk to and what to say.
Blurt will likely not have the forward momentum that Hive had and it will be a much different story with exchanges. Hive had the news cycle and everyone in the industry was watching Hive.
Im glad someone gets it.
@justineh did good work on CoinDesk and you could say she is responsible for Hive in the news cycle to a small extent.
She knew who to talk to and gave them the story, which is what I did, in part, with exchanges.
I wanted to partner with Justine and continue to help Hive but my style of moving fast and sharing all comms with the Slack didn't work with so many moving parts and so many people.
Sure.
Well im responsible for the story being picked up by 2 of the 5 biggest crypto youtubers before Coindesk or Telegraph picked it up, and my tweets were quoted by a number of articles as well. All that without being inside slack or being in "whale favor".
Before this post (if it wasnt for justines 30k id prolly never mention it) i told that to the guys in my Discord group and they roasted me over it. You do these things not to get payed, you do it because you care about HIVE, youre doing the right thing and because your stake depends on it.
And then I just got buried in the chain politics and kicked out.
Interestingly, the politics you got buried in were entirely off-chain.
As someone who worked for Ned directly to get Steem listed on all the top exchanges, I figured it would only make sense for me to help with Hive so as a community volunteer I reached out to eight (8) exchanges in 12 hours to help secure the airdrop for Hive (as part of a group effort of course) and I have the emails, Telegram chats, and business relationships to prove it. But I am a professional and work with many top coins so the way I see it she beat me out of a job which is completely fine with me.
"To add context, you were admonished by @justineh, and me, and others, when you went to create the earlier proposal because IT WAS TOO EARLY and you were just trying to put your name forward to earn some kind of favor with the community that were not privvy to the exchange talks going on."
I was looking for a job and I was encouraged to make the proposal from people in the #exchanges channel of the Hive Slack.
DM to @netuoso
I'm happy to try and clear the air but I must tell my side of the story.
And I wasn't using the EOS legal opinion as a matter of fact. That doesn't make much sense.
He was greedy, you are not. I get it. People like you more.
Youre right, being in slack is like being vegan. It just makes you better then most people.
You do NOT deserve 30k Justine.
You missed the important parts there.. not shocking. Maybe go support his witness on Steem which he started at the same time he was trying to work deals behind the community’s back.
Point is, don’t believe everything you hear. Plenty of people have backed what I have stated I did.. not so much for the story you’re being fed.
Thankfully we have this thing where you can believe whatever you want and do whatever you want.. it’s just when it includes lies about others, sometimes there is a bit of back and forth. Seems you were a bit mixed up about your facts again. Perhaps save your accusations and raging (including DM) until you have those straight next time.
Im not repeating the same shit 50 times. You might not feel thats tedious, but i do.
Wait, lets get this straight. Because i consider the position of someone else in this, i should now praise everything he does and vote his witness.
See, the thing you used to believe in before you christened yourself "meanJustine" in order to make a statement how youre "hardcore" and "cool" (cringe) had to do with integrity and doing the right thing.
I vote for netouso as witness and hes probably the biggest reward pool leecher on the platform.
Its not about who is it that does something. I dont hold grudges (like some people), i dont support someone because theyre my friends, i dont support them because they might agree with me.... i make calls on a case to case basis.
"Why dont you vote Birdinc and go praise his Steem fork?"
Grow up.
Seems like if you are going to blindly believe someone and therefore use it to attack someone else, you are making a pretty big statement. Seems you only care about actions and integrity when it’s not about your own.
Do whatever you wanna do, but I’ll call you on your bullshit when it concerns me. ✌🏼
I dont blindly believe people. Thats why i wont vote your proposal. 700 hours, was it (should have made it a 1000) 40$ an hour? You should have added you didnt sleep at all. Whats CZs phone number? I bet you met his wife and kids too. What are they like?
You just dont get it. You cornered a job. Got rid of competition (allegedly). You acted from within a closed group. You make claims of work that are in no way verifiable. You request payment for results the community is responsible for. You make a request for a ludicrous amount of money.
And im the bad guy here.
Its the other way around. You call bullshit what threatens you and you call out people that threaten you. You stomp on them. Thats what you do.
If my post didnt take off you wouldnt have given a damn.
Cool, I never asked you to and said I respected your decision and reasoning.
You seem to very much be focused on making this more of a personal thing rather than about a proposal where my claims have been backed by many and I have paper trails to back up.
If you don’t like me, ok. Perhaps try not focusing on me so much then. As most of your comments don’t have much to do with my work, and rather focused on some sort of personal issue you have.
I’ll gladly answer any questions or concerns about my work and feel I have done so, but I don’t think I should have to defend myself against personal attacks anymore, so I’ll just wish you well.
So Zen.
You should learn new comebacks.
even from the time of the Steem Foundation when i told you that it will fail 100% (which it did soon after) that made you pissed off, youve been retorting with the same arguments.
Stop wasting time on a clueless troll who doesn’t understand Hive let alone how anything you’ve listed in your proposal actually works.
I wanted the job and you beat me out of it, that's fine. Good luck. You know every inch of this blockchain and are a better fit for it than me.
"Right after launch, No listings accomplished, no legal work, no negotiation. Sent a few emails."
I landed a call with the VP at Bittrex on the Wednesday before the hardfork/airdrop and then turned that into a call with the Head of Listings on Friday afternoon and then they surprised us on that Saturday listing.
Also, Hive devs knew Bittrex well. It's an attack on all fronts sales strategy.
The community and the story is the most important thing.
Since I've talked to over 200 exchanges professionally, I knew exactly who to talk to and what to say.
There was already a chat set up with Bittrex before you did this and discussions were already on the way. Which is why when you attempted to take public credit for the listing, you were met with so much backlash.
I wish you would have actually been able to follow through with how you sold yourself, as someone who had done so much in regards to exchange work. Unfortunately you didn’t want to actually do any work.. simply send an initial email, and then expect others to do all the actual work while you took credit any time you could. I guess that seemed a bit strange as sending an email was the easiest part of the whole deal.
Yes you wanted to “partner” with me, after your rush time make a proposal claiming to be responsible for Bittrex was met with some pushback. You then felt if you could get me onboard, you would get support.
I told you I didn’t think anyone (especially someone who just showed up) should be doing a proposal that early on. As it was important to get things started and settled. It was important to actually accomplish something before asking for compensation.
You disagreed. I simply stated I would not be a part of any proposal, at that time. But encouraged you to make one or that I would support it at a later time.
I also stated that if you were going to make a proposal for handling listing, perhaps you should actually do it. As I had quite a lot on my plate already and was under the impression you were going to be handling exchanges (as you wanted to).. but you told me “I don’t have time for that” and stated you were simply the “hunter” to send emails.. to public contacts. No offense, but we didn’t need a “hunter”.. we needed someone to work hard and close the deals, you didn’t want to do that. You wanted to be paid to send an email.
Then, after that discussion, you did even less “work” than normal and wouldn’t even respond to questions. There was also a concern as you had taken discussion to your private emails, rather than the group, and seemed to be working for the exchange rather than the community.. very hard push to pay the fee (there is proof of this, so not sure why you are denying it).
After nearly a week where you wouldn’t not respond to multiple tags and attempts to get in contact with you, as well as concerns coming out of some of the communications from exchanges not seeming to show the goals or desires of the group (since you took them private).. you were removed from the group.
You are now starting your own fork, congrats. I wish you luck. It would be wonderful though if you didn’t then try to warp your contributions or the facts to somehow result in negative reactions to me. I did nothing to you, and my proposal does not claim any work you did. And, if we are being honest, none of the “initial” emails sent even resulted in the main listings described. Huobi was Dan’s initial contact, Bittrex was Gandalf, and Binance was mine. Not to mention none would be possible for not the document Netuoso uncovered and we used for all listings.
If you feel you contributed some how and want to be compensated, please make a proposal.. but don’t try to claim I didn’t do the work I’m describing.. as the facts aren’t on your side. Back rooms DMs to smear me are just showing your character, even more than your past actions already have.
Good luck.
"Unfortunately you didn’t want to actually do any work.. simply send an initial email"
(1). Connect with the decision maker.
(2). Coordinate Telegram group chat.
(3). Invite Hive devs and marketing.
(4). Make introductions.
(5). Coordinate/monitor comms.
(6). Build relationship.
My proposal was to rise and repeat with up to 100 exchanges each month, like I did for Steemit, Inc.
Your multiple comments are very confusing and make them scattered so I’ll just ask a question and we can move with our lives.
Do you believe that my proposal is taking credit for any work you did? Do you believe somehow you were responsible for anything I stated in my post and therefore it’s not a factual proposal and my statements concerning my involvement for each action I explained are untrue?
For the work that I did, it's not worth any money, it was proof-of-capability from which a part-time sales job could have been justified.
You know that I was there for every crucial second from when Binance announced the hardfork/airdrop support on Wednesday afternoon Easter Time until the hardfork on Friday.
And I worked very hard to let everyone that I knew in the industry know about Hive but I did not want money for this, I wanted a sales job on a 'rolling contract' basis.
But I did not have the relationships in Hive to sell myself or my services effectively.
Binance happened in a group you weren’t in and started weeks before the airdrop. You aren’t even in the group chat set up with them and devs. Not really sure what your game is here but you didn’t even have a part in that and can’t even claim initial contact like some of the others you have.
This is getting silly and the scattered convo is ridiculous. My last comment is pretty clear - if you can’t show me where in my post I took credit for something you did, stop saying it. You weren’t responsible for closing a single listing and if we would have taken your advice than the community would be out hundreds of thousands of dollars.
If you want to make a post about your work, great. But please stop claiming mine is not factual unless you can back it up.
"If you want to make a post about your work, great. But please stop claiming mine is not factual unless you can back it up."
You ridiculed me in the Hive Slack for being greedy and not waiting for the right time and then come out with a proposal for 5x what mine was.
That speaks for itself.
I used the Binance announcement in support of the hardfork/airdrop to reach out to all the exchanges that I knew.
"You weren’t responsible for closing a single listing and if we would have taken your advice than the community would be out hundreds of thousands of dollars."
Nobody is responsible, it's a team effort. But landing calls with decision makers seems like it's an important part.
I knew all the players and what to say and was moving fast saying exactly what they needed to hear to consider Hive.
But then Huobi started the dance with the business deal, and it was then when I realized that without your @justineh's support, Hive was not the right place for me.
Never ever did I say Hive should pay hundreds of thousands of dollars.
@thecryptodrive and I may have discussed $10k or something for KuCoin as more a historic deal and PR opportunity than anything else. But KuCoin was going to airdrop this money to new Hive holders.
Please share screenshots because I can share everything as well.
"Do you believe that my proposal is taking credit for any work you did?"
In a way, yes, but I no longer want anything from the Hive DAO Fund.
I had two phone calls with Bittrex and one phone call with the Listing Managers at Huobi, which I had already set up before @theycallmedan asked if I could take a call with Huobi for him.
I knew all the players and what to say and was moving fast saying exactly what they needed to hear to consider Hive.
But then Huobi started the dance with the business deal, and it was then when I realized that without your @justineh's support, Hive was not the right place for me.
For the work that I did, it's not worth any money, it was proof-of-capability from which a part-time sales job could have been justified.
I felt that you pushed me out and took the job for yourself but we both could have worked it.
@gtg @roelandp @therealwolf @howo @followbtcnews and others more or less understood the work I was doing but I wasn't the right person for the job so I left.
I would appreciate if you told me where in my proposal I took any credit for initial contacts other than the Binance one where I detailed that. I only detailed anything I actually did and then stated others played other roles. If those initial two calls were the reason for the listings, it seems odd that it took weeks of work to actually accomplish them. I know though, if we would have just paid as you suggested, then it may have been quicker.. which is sort of what my proposal is about - the work I did to get the listings for free.
So please let me know in which part of my proposal I’m taking credit for things you yourself did. As now you are making an attempt to say you did what I am claiming to do, and I think if you are going to do that, you better be able to back it up.
I didn’t want the job, David.. and didn’t push you out. I had to pick up the work because you weren’t capable or didn’t want to.. and then you stopped participating all together. Weeks later, after hundreds of hours of work, we saw listings come through.
Acting as if I did anything but work my ass off is nothing but a further used car salesmen attempt of yours to further yourself somehow by bashing me.
If you can’t show where I took credit for anything you actually did, I would appreciate you not telling everyone you did everything I claimed to. It’s getting a bit old.
Thanks so much.
Did you land initial phone calls with decision makers at Bittrex and Huobi?
"There was already a chat set up with Bittrex before you did this and discussions were already on the way."
They wanted Hive to delay the hardfork/airdrop, but then I landed a call with the VP who then introduced me to the Head of Listings for a follow up call.
It's an attack on all fronts strategy, and whether landing a call with a decision maker at Bittrex had any impact, I'm not sure.
To say I had 'nothing' to do with exchanges, is silly.
For the work that I did, it's not worth any money, it was proof-of-capability from which a part-time sales job could have been justified.
Since I pitched Steem to over 200 exchanges in 2 years, I knew exactly who to contact and what to say in many cases.
"Simply send an initial email"
Knowing what to say and who to send an email to is very important.
"I wish you would have actually been able to follow through with how you sold yourself."
I came in too hot and shared too much and didn't have the relationships in Hive to make it work.
"Unfortunately, you didn’t want to actually do any work. simply send an initial email."
@therealwolf called this 'God's work' and left it at that.
"Unfortunately, you didn’t want to actually do any work. simply send an initial email."
You deserved just as much as my initial ask was for, I told you this in the Hive Slack.
"$100 a day for a year - full time salary."
My proposal was for a three month "rolling contract" with the blockchain. Not $100 a day for a year initially but that was my ask in total.
As someone who worked for Ned directly to get Steem listed on all the top exchanges, I figured it would only make sense for me to help with Hive so as a community volunteer I reached out to eight (8) exchanges in 12 hours to help secure the airdrop for Hive (as part of a group effort of course) and I have the emails, Telegram chats, and business relationships to prove it. But I am a professional and work with many top coins so the way I see it she beat me out of a job which is completely fine with me.
Which “top exchanges” did you get STEEM listed at?
For Binance, Bithumb, and Huobi, I was the single point of contact for Steemit, Inc. to make the business deal, coordinate developer talks, and co-marketing.
Out of “200” exchanges you spoke to?