I completely understand where you are coming from @berniesanders.
It is SO frustrating when I work on an article for 2 hours and it doesn't even make $1 and then I see people post an image and some gibberish and make $500 on it!
I mean, I'm not here just for the money, but when I put in a couple of hours worth of work to try and produce a piece of content that adds value to the site, it would be nice to get a little bit more than a buck or two. I'm not asking for hundreds of dollars. I'd be more than happy with $20.
It's getting very frustrating and I think it is the main reason why a lot of users are just quitting and withdrawing whatever Steem they were able to make.
I think it's sad and if word continues to spread, it will be harder and harder to retain current members and attract new ones.
Maybe people don't want a two hour post
Just because it took me 2 hours to create doesn't mean it takes people 2 hours to read. I do post other things like memes and videos as well.
That's the problem with the world. crap content rules, just look at music too. crap artists sell the most. Maybe one would adjust or keep to standard. quality pays in due time, crap pays faster than ever.
Memes, music and posts of any kind will be liked ot not, and that is not the point...
My questions are:
If people like music, pictures or posts that someone is making in 5 minutes rather that something that took you 3 days (I make videos that take a LOT of work) it's OK.
BUT, for what I've seen, some people can create the BEST content in the world and nobody is going to notice it. Other people don't even get the chance to NOT like it. It's invisible to them.
Maybe I'm not working hard enoug, maybe my content isn't that good... Maybe the system is broken.
I am very, very new here, I know that I'm not doing so bad for the time that I have been in #steemit, but I have seen some things that worry me.
I think that the #reward system should be fixed.
I made a new twitter account and I tweet several times a day, an nobody even likes them. (They are awesome I promise) They don't even hand out money and you still have to cultivate and audience.
Nobody is going to make sure your awesome content gets noticed.
It's a hard truth, but you have to build relationships either through comments, voting bots or other promotion.
You are absolutely right. Some are more worried about making money than creating and upvoting good content. That's what's worrying me... I have realistic expectations, and I am still disappointed. Not because of the money, but because I feel that nobody cares, and probably that isn't even true, It just seems so...
I just checked out your blog, and I want to say "Hang in there." It has been up and down, and if you look at my old posts you will see I was ready to bail at one point. This whole thing with the OP and the others... I just don't know. I am a liberty lover, and a person declaring their self the guardian of the reward pool smacks a little of an ego trip, but I do agree the current "curation" is not working. That said, persistence has paid off, and with the kind of content you will bring you will get there. I have tried to just stay out of this war, the only thing I can say for certain is that both sides have valid points but there is very little useful communication happening, at least that I have seen.
Just to be clear.
You MUST expect people wanting to make money over everything.
The system only works if they can only make real money BY making good content.
It's a matter of incentives, not morality. That's why OP is addressing ned.
We're all saying the same thing. Good content should be rewarded too because as it is, the system is skewed towards certain type while a lot of people who put in much work remain invisible. I guess everybody will learn to work the system as it is.
Interesting. Bernie reateemed ‘Show us your tits Tuesday’ and got over $70 for it. Quality content to be sure. *heavy sarcasm.’
what's more funny? a steemian named @netuso (I believe), made a clear parody of another steemian's funny crypto growth analysis. the parody made $160 with a few people in the comment thanking him for the insight. So, I can imagine some of them starting to feed people what they love once in a while. (it pays)
Had to be said. Good job.
You have my upvote. I couldn't agree more. I'm also a new user who values quality content.
We live in a instant gratification world today my friend. Unfortunately, and many cannot be bothered with anything that requires aptitude and full attention.
TRUTH spoken dude
Hahahah, crap pays more than ever like in music. I like this one hey
Haha, well, that's what goes these days.
very true
"people" you mean self-voters or those abusing whale auto-votes?
I believe those whale bid bots being used to upvote mediocre content need to be countered with a flag bot if possible. Steem needs a new hero. I thought it was going to be Bernie until I noticed he started randowhale back after he had went on the attack against another bid bot which seemed very promising.
An extremely powerful anti-bid bot may be able to save this platform but current design makes that a difficult solution due to how much SP bid bots accumulate.
For the record, when I was new to Steemit, I was fooled into using bid bots by what I now believe to be faulty logic. Something didn't sit right and now I neither self-vote or use bid bots. Something just feels real greasy about it. It's like playing competitive sports and everybody is juicing up. I'm not going to do it just because everybody else is even they are poised to gain through leveraging such tactics. This had served as a major deterrent from my investing in this platform to the degree I otherwise would have and do not think I am alone. It's just sad the way this place has gone.
@anthonyadavisii: Very interesting explanation about bots. I have seen them too, but something ridiculous too: Human calling themselves Bots.
Regarding Bidding for Upvotes is like believing that if I give some one 1 cent, I will get back $100. My mind is not used to that kind of magic logic.
My Philosophy on Uptvoting is burning Voting Power to those whose ideas impact my mind regarding my learning of the Steemit Blockchain and the execution of my work. Be a single line, 5, 10 or 20.
yes@bayareacoins
That's purely a matter of opinion. Many people enjoy reading copious amounts of information. Crazy you got 5 upvotes for that thoughtless comment...
An author spending 2 hours in crafting a post is not something worthwhile? Well, I guess we should all just post cat videos (That doesn't take a lot of time or effort). Trending page here I come!
It's the whales at the top, and all their bot followers that auto-vote them to the Moon no matter what they post that is the major issue.
I personally am going to stay, and keep on trucking along, if the money comes, then so be it. If it doesn't, I'd rather be blogging on here, than on some centralized piece of shit like Medium.
and what is stopping you from doing that other than the guilt and shame you inherited from your slave ancestors?
Umm... what?
Amen to that @tolkatore! I'm with you on this one.
What's the rush?
I'd rather remain here, and keep on posting. Eventually, it'll compound into a mega BOOM!
Medium is too quiet and now wants to gouge you for subs. Wordpress has traffic but a terrible editing experience. Blogger, well that just blows chunks all round. FB? Get real...
All things being equally sucky, you might as well invest your talent in an emerging platform and hope you can influence it.
A lot of fixes need to come to Steemit, before mass adoption can take place though.
amen brother most artists don't get rich until after they're dead anyway
Well my friend I want to get rich now before I go to heaven.
@contentking Thats the same I thaugt. Its really frustrating, i asked bernie sanders some questions but didnt get an answer. Perhaps we get it now. @berniesanders I really respect it that you obviously want to make steemit a better place. But you are also making big money with really short posts. You could also decline the money or spent it to support small accounts. So what is your plan to make steemit better? And I thing you have the chance to change something.
This is the question I asked before:
"The case with Haejin is damn unfair, but why are you angry? You earn with a schort writing over 800. You are one of the kings;) I put in an article more than 3 hours and just got 30 cents. So thats how life and steemit works. What are your ideas to make it better? Obviously you have some power and can do something. Does flagging really work? You have a really bad reputation but it doesnt matter. So you are kind invincible. But are you the only one? Much success if you want to make steemit better"
I'm experiencing the same situation, and would love to know as well :)
I also want to make money on here so please help me a bit by voting on my articles please.
Good that you are honest, I know that money is essential to live but dont expect to make much money, you will make more money if you are doing some normal work. I do it mostly because I having fun writing here but I alsowould like to get appreciated for my work and thats what Iam missing here, when Iam writing a 3 hour post with good pictures and nobody is reading it.
@soekie, you won't make any money here if you keep making posts like this. Stop it.
Yes. You are right.
Many legit, honest, good content creators seem to be disenchanted and leaving seeing the amount of exploitaiton by certain whales and amount of scammers/abuser pooring in after tens of thousands of account were opened for countries such as Nigeria, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Algeria, Venezuela.
Sadly majority of users from these geo locations try to exploit the system by posting plagiarism and stealing identities.
I mean, I understand that many of them may be poor, but for fuck sake, is it that difficult to spend like 15-20 minutes to write something original and blog it (even in their own language to get support from local Curie curators)?
Instead of posting tens of thousadns of lazy copypasta or plagiarism trying to fish for curation on popular tags and mindless curation of some whales.
At the moment, like 1 post in 20-30 in "New" section is legit. Steemit has got an opinion of scam haven, because of that.
Hi Buddy, @contentking Sorry if I am wrong in any way. In my point of view some are lucky and most of the people have to hard work. But that hard work will give reward at some point. The kind of stuffs like posting picture take more $$$$$ are small term cats. We have to stay strong as bull and always have to provide good contents for our followers. They will truly follow you and will respect your work.
Some users are using services out there for upvotes but the followers you will get with your hard work will never leave you.
some are not interested for social monetary justice
It's revenge not justice. People feel envy and want to take revenge on those who are more fortunate to be rewarded more. It doesn't produce any justice.
Actually, I am not envious of anyone. I run a very successful online business.
I am glad for people when they do well. I am simply stating my opinion and saying that I see a lot of great content on SteemIt that doesn't get the attention it deserves.
I agree with you.. I want to bring valuable content in every single post. I spent hours on it and then got 3-5 dollars.
when I went to trending or hot section to see whats "in" and saw overvalued posts about crypto, posts with one photo and some toughts about it and 200 dollars payouts.. the same users in trending alsmot every day.. one has to be really humble to feel ok with it...
but I started to use bots to get some attention and it worked a little bit.. so now I get 6-15 dollars mostly.. it is not much, but still better than before.. I would be ok with all of it.. but I dont know how to feel about whales who have each other on autovoter. no matter their post value they got whale upvotes.. I tink it is not good for the system..
@marty-arts I'm seeing same thing as you, over and over. So the system on steemit is pretty aristocratic. In last week I'm in BW contest, but otherwise, we are pretty same with valuable contents and the time spent on every post.
There are many contests and even if you don't earn much you'll get new followers and more people with the same interests.
"I dont know how to feel about whales who have each other on autovoter. no matter their post value they got whale upvotes."
@marty-arts, I didn't know autovoters was a thing. Ugh! Disgusting. Definitely not good for the long-term stability & growth of the platform.
@abijahchristos autovoter is not a bad thing.. when you know some author makes great posts every time and you want to support him it is good to use it. there are a few users who have me on autobvoter and I am really grateful for it. it is partly my motivation to stay at good level.
the thing is, autovoter is not good to use when your vote has value around 50 SBD and you give 100% of it for every post to one author. it brings him to hot or trending everytime he posts somethingand I stil ask myself "Is it fair?"
@marty-arts, I see how autovoters can be helpful.
Supporting the content creator just because you like them in general, regardless of if you like everything they posts. Kinda of like using autovoters to turn Steemit into Patreon.
I still think we'd be better without autovoters though.
Actually having to look through the content before voting seems like the best way to support the platform as a whole (not just the individuals we like).
Please help me too to make a success of my business.
@soekie, posts like this will get your account flagged.
@abijahchristos true
You just blew all attention with your post. This is how easy it is to influence the mind. (Great animation by the way). - I found it very attempting at first to write and receive something for it from votes. Nobody noticed my articles. The same time I found very interesting thoughts on this plattform. I also found some very disgusting articles...and cat pics. I had hoped to leave those behind on FB. Slowly some people noticed my writings and gave interesting comment. Some cents came in as well.
I gave many thoughts to what steemit means to me. I enjoy good content good photos, new thoughts of crypto believers. I enjoy mostly that some people put real effort into writing. After some month on steemit I am learning to focus on what I like here. I am very happy that most articles are longer and more profound than "Like" if you read my posts (FB) I reward people for their articles I don´t need reassurance all the time that a community that only knows me virtually is checking me.
The steemit system is in my view not perfect, whales, bots, and all kind of trixters are around. That´s life , you find them always on the net. Believing to gain enough to live of writing here seems to me a romantic idea. - Still..with the crypto community , you never know. That´s the beauty about it. Keep on writing...
tell us how you really feel
This is the coolest thing I have seen today but what is it doing in this post??
Nothing :))
I propose very simple solution to this spam flood here on Steemit. We must just have ability to hide posts we don't like in our blogs. I thing that this is minor code change for the developers. If I can control content on my blog (what currently I can't) I can make thematically completed blog whit consistent themes and that will be my personal point of view.
If some from my followers resteem post which don't fit in my blog concept I simply hide it period.
If a content could be organized in way I propose people will start to visit blogs with content they like more and rewards will start do distribute more fair automatically.
It will also be nice to have multiple blogs on one account to organize stuff together by different themes, because people like to write about different stuff either.
If you support this two proposals let me know!!
i agree for 100%
Well written! Totally agree with you!
This...Just ...this.
I couldn't have put it any better, my fiend..
fiend?- no I meant friend, honest!
I agree with your thought!
I think there must be some kind of balance here and there so it would be a win win for all.
For that I think the strategy would be to follow more people rather than play the primadonna
Keep up the quality, that's what this platform needs. Some of my posts can take a few minutes, but usually they take hours or days (when programming). Gave you a 💯 because you put effort and you care. Don't be discouraged by the shitposts, quality always wins.
There are a high number of non quality low effort post (subjective I know) that win over quality as the current design of the platform allows for exploitation via inorganic voting. Maybe quality will win eventually but that time is not now.
That's the only reason I can justify buying votes. If I sink a few hours into something, and I believe it's quality content, then I'm not going to feel bad getting a little ROI from vote bots and the like. Besides, if I push it high enough, some like minded people might actually start commenting on it.
As Steem Pope, I have to point out that all vote bots are officially condemned in the Church of Steem. :D
we are all popes, hail eris? :P
But I think that you are "the Pope-est" :D
Nope. I am the only Steem Pope. This is so because I have decreed it. :D
Thanks God I'm an atheist ;) (on Steem Church)
lmfao ;)
You scorn the Steem Pope and reject the holy word of Blog? Prepare to be excommunicated!
XD
Steem Pope... LOL!!!!
lol dumb
Oh ha haha of fource they fart.
dont you. lol
Patience is the virtue of success. I think a lot of people don't have it. Instead of just quitting right way, why not wait and let the time do the job. Who knows one day we will also be successful.
so true bro, the minnows are literally fucked. I have seen post receiving 400$ that are worse than posts with only 0.22$. Like you I'm also here to produce some valuable contents but those post get only 1 view (mine). What should I do to grow: Buy upvote?
Work hard and work smart... use the same tools available to everyone else.
Just work smart and not so hard.
Do not do that, Buying upvotes are not ethical. But we can make community and follow small and big real content makers and upvote them to grow together.
@zek, if you want to earn a few cents every day, all you need to do is join my daily zombie adventure games. It won't zoom you to the top, but it will move you a little each day.
Ko so true i taught it was a joke when it first started
Jokes can turn unfunny really fast!
so true
@robertmannino
I dont know about @ned ,but if this the roadmap of steemit than the steemit will never be going to hit the roads again. Addressing is all the solution we got.
All time high price of Steem and members fighting over the reward pool. How does it look?
Steem dollar price now $8 . bittrex closed the sign up. No cash out! Perfect time to fight
What do you mean, they won't allow you to exchange your Steem for Bitcoin?
Perfect!
best comment, will up-vote in 6 days
onlymedia is just another comment spammer and plagiarist with fake female photo
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Over time the good posts will earn more and the community will benefit. So everyone has a chance to earn more.
Thank you
@robertmannino
You are just here for the money. That is why you focus on the money.
Obviously that's not the case, or else I wouldn't still be here, would I?
Let us put empahsis on building a foundation on the platform over time!
He’s made over ten thousand USD complaining about other users. I don’t think he minds the way things are currently.
That called my eye too... @contentking just wrote that he makes pennies on his posts and I saw that he had some very big rewards... But, I think the problem is real, and It's just fair that they complain about it. 🤷🏽
What big rewards? I have a few posts that made $20 or $30 and one post I did a year ago that reached $100. Most of them make a few bucks if I'm lucky. I'm not really complaining about it. I'm just saying I would like to see more people who put time and effort into their content get rewarded a little better. That's all.
i'm sorry, you are right. I mistook some resteemed content with your own. I also came upon the post that was succesfull too...
My point is that everyone can complain about this issue, because everyone that's creating stuff and taking time would be doing better if the #reward system worked how it should.
Sorry again @contentking
Wow! I am not defending anyone! I want the system to work better! It looks like you are very angry. I don’t understand where is your comment coming from. Are you even answering me?
At least he doesn't post every few hours
If he makes one post complaining and someone else make three about an actual topic who should earn more? Right now they’re earning equally.
I know the feeling :) The same thing happened with me, spent a long as time on a post about Christmas, and it is right now sitting at 0,27 dollars xD But that is how it is, there's not much to do about it :) At least it was fun making the content
i agree with you
I think it'll have the opposite affect, people will see the true potential and it'll motivate them to come to the platform and create better content
My sentiments exactly.
Meet the new pimps, same as the old pimps....
Unfortunately this seems to be an issue here. I'm a new user, and signed up with the full expectation to make nothing. Some people blog to make money, and for those of you who do, this is a travesty. I suppose for myself it would just be a pleasant surprise if my content actually makes any substantial profit. To address the issue at hand , I will say this. Many people seem to LOVE this platform (including myself), and many trending posts are addressing the issue. I don't know how long this has been a major problem, but I would venture a guess that the developers are trying to figure out a way to fix it. I sure hope so , because it would be very sad to see Steemit collapse.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with blogging to make money, whether it be with your own website, or on a platform like Steemit.
Thousands of people make a great living from the Internet. I have a very successful online business that revolves around using my blogs to build email lists and then promoting digital products as as affiliate marketer. I have been doing it since 2008. I am not sure why anyone would consider the desire to make a living from writing a "travesty."
You misunderstood the context of my comment. I was saying that for those of you who do blog to make money, the issue at hand is a travesty to you and the site. I would love to make money blogging , but it isn't my primary focus at the moment. That is all. Not everyone is against you just because they may live their life by a different set of values. Please reread my initial comment, and see if you cannot understand the context a little better now that I have explained. Sorry for the confusion.
I would like it also to get some serious votes and money on mine, the thing is I am sitting long hours to ad some lovely recipes but there I get not 1 cent.
Please follow me if you can and up vote me too.
Just an FYI, it's not a good idea to beg for votes and follows. Some people don't like it and they will flag you. It doesn't really bother me, but some people hate it.
i followed you, follow me please