When Steemit began, some of the first posts on the site were just links. Others were shorter posts than we often see today. But because voting allocates real money, voters seemed to gravitate towards the posts which added the most perceived value to the platform. The longer posts began to get more rewards.
Today, Steemit’s content resembles the Medium site in terms of the voters’ preference for longer length articles. This is fine, but in embracing that model only, perhaps we have lost something along the way. Not everyone enjoys writing (or reading) long pieces.
There are several mature social networking models online. In its general approach, Steemit today is modeled very much after Reddit. The trending/hot/new pages, the upvotes and downvotes, the comments down below, the very short term lifecycle of posts - it is all Reddit. One look at Reddit's top posts, though, reveals something interesting. Many are just links, re-shares, some are even just a picture without a single letter of text. The value is driven not by the post themselves, but by the immense engagement they generate. This has been Reddit's success, and despite some shaky management why 300+ million Redditors stick around to this day.
Of course, Steemit's greatest innovation are the monetary rewards. Understandably, this has led voters to value original content and articles much more. Today, the content being more akin to Wordpress or Medium. However, unlike Steemit, Medium is not a social network - it's a publishing platform. To engage the community, we need a greater diversity of content, whether personal rambles or sharing the best of the internet. This will generate discussion, comments and engagement we are lacking right now, and ultimately reach out to a much larger audience than Medium ever could.
We would like to see both on Steemit - a short term social network platform driven by short form posts, re-posts, re-links, and upvotes. The Trending page should reflect not stakeweighted rewards but overall engagement. Ultimately, the community will decide what these short form posts are worth. And a longer term publishing platform driven by original content and greater rewards.
Shorter length articles can be fun, expressive, and informative. In the last few days, Project Curie’s curators have begun to notice more of them on the site. We like this trend.
In the coming days (teaser alert!), a group of Steemians will be announcing exciting new steps to reward some shorter length content in particular tags.
We will continue to support and reward the traditional long posts, but we also will begin looking for high quality, short form posts. These also deserve some rewards. We hope to see more of them.
By @donkeypong and @liberosist
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@donkeypong, @liberosist
This is one great news!
Thank you and ...
huge respect!
@bluejay ... hope has come :)
Ah, I love War Horse!
If Steemit has a future and it does...then it follows that it will require shorter forms of communication in order for the reader to not get bogged down. Thank you @englishtchrivy for the mention and the scene from War Horse...a lovely film.
And who doesn't need both longer posts and shorter posts....just to keep things lively.
All the best. Cheers.
I do know that when I post something short form any rewards are about a 10th or less of what I make when I post something longer. As long as this remains the case I suspect this will not change as this seems true for most people too unless they have a bot or following that up votes all of their posts.
Also consider that there is a penalty for rewards when you post more than 4 blog posts in a 24 hour period. I think this discourages short form posting for some people as well. This is just speculation on my part though.
Those are great observations. Let's get the conversation going. Hopefully if people think about it and become more accepting of different types of content, the market may be a little more generous with rewards for shorter content.
I believe the 4 posts limit was enforced in the early days when Steemit was overrun with spam posts. Now that things have settled down, I fully expect this limit to be withdrawn, particularly once the social networking features (whatever they may be) are introduced.
Yeah I was pondering that a bit after I wrote my reply above. I was here when they added that so I remember why they added it. I remember several bots combing through Google and then posting a new post about ever 5 minutes. It made curating near impossible.
I prefer shorter posts myself, so I am glad to see this post. Short story writers would be an exception though. Informative snippets offer me an opportunity for further research if I am interested.
This seems like a great idea and a way to encourage more people to contribute to the site even if they are not great writers. I'm a fan!
Thank you for your post @donkeypong and @liberosist.
Expressing the thoughts of some who have embraced the medium Steemit presents to put quality content in short form believing it will be part of Steemit's future content.
@mindhunter has even gone so far as to create the tag 'nuggetized'.
If Steemit will be a hub of information and for information many venues will present themselves as it grows. Already @doitvoluntarily presents objective news articles as a reporter, @steemswede presents film and music reviews and @titin gives music lessons and @pickoum is teaching Steemians how to play chess....amazing what Steemit is shaping up to be, as it is an environment of freedom. If you have freedom....you have inequality.....not a bad thing. No cookie cutters....just individualism. Freedom to fail or succeed let the market decide.
Thank you for your article and the opportunity to express thought.
Hi, I am a minnow.
As a new person to Crypto and trying hard to learn so much, and then investing time making content, I honestly get bummed I work hard and get nothing, no engagement, no reward for most of my stuff. I basically left for 30 days because of this.
I make sure every day I sign in here, to share the heck and resteem and upvote good content, I reblog a ton to help others and the site. I think that is part of what a community minded person should be about.
No real rewards, the weights for things and work makes no sense, -- the average person does not get enough traction or have enough followers to give weight to their case. Just speaking freely. Something is not right here. I would like to see the smart people like all you guys in this post chatting about stuff I don't understand, help. I know you are working on it! TY for your time. I hope you do not mind my blue collar, uneducated opinions.
Welcome! I think a lot of people are in your situation. We are trying hard to spread the rewards around to more good quality posts from undiscovered authors. This is a social network of sorts also, so I'd suggest joining steemit.chat also and networking with others + trying to build your follow list. Feel free to contact me there if you need some help.
Thanks again for listening and replying. I appreciate that. I think a huge % of people on here are like me, new to crypto etc -- I know for a fact several of my friends have joined simply bc I am on here, and they have NO idea what is going on in this space LOL and I am trying to help them too. That's what this is about, I guess. Same road, all on different parts of that road. -- I tried long ago to join that chat thing, I gave up, I could not get in lol. I hear it is a good place like you said also. TY very much for all you do. When I joined ---- you were one of the FIRST people I followed seeing your work. I will not forget that !! Minnows never forget where they came from, lol. I am still one.
Important question: My 101 post I put up w the graphic etc that did well (for me, that is really well) -- I accidentally removed my own vote - I clicked on it and it affects the post and reward payout it says and same if I try to replace the downvote I gave myself. It is a big post payout and I messed up the metrics here obv. It is due to payout in a cpl. hours.....What should I do???? That first auto vote for our posts..... means more if the post does well and IDK what to do now.
plus I am down to like 70% voting power on top of it all, so even if I vote for it, it won't do anything, maybe even harm me. Rookie question and mistake, I know.
Sorry, the only thing I know how to do is experiment and find out what works best.
Fair enough!! TY for replying, always appreciate that!!
I'm guilty of that myself - when l joined Steemit mid July I didn't take it seriously. I was checking the ground and posted a lot of short YT link posts.
Within the time, I had learnt how to write articles. They became long, more complex and better edited.
Now, I finally realised that shorter, engaging, quality articles are way to go.
There is limited attention and time we all can spend for reading posts.
As a long term Redditor, when I first logged on to Steemit, I used it much like Reddit. I shared links, wrote short posts as well.
Like on Reddit, there's always demand for long form articles. The key is to find a balance where both short form and long form content exist and thrive.
Let's then stay tuned! To answer a few comments I have read, short posts can be original, even if a link is shared. One could always write a couple of paragraphs around the link to trig a discussion or comments, which at the same point makes the post valuable!
A good idea but I feel giving value to a one liner or a link would be difficult, unless a set of criteria is defined early on. But I do agree that even short posts can have value and should be rewarded.
Regarding this I differ. As of now we are just that, a publishing platform. I do understand we are in beta and changes are proposed, but the changes happening are more about the coin than the social aspect of things, and this worries me.
If you listen to Ned's various public appearances, he emphasises on upcoming social networking features always. Now, there hasn't been much regarding what they exactly are, as understandably the economic changes are the first priority.
At last, some people with common sense. I was always fearful of making posts with less than 300 words because it always brings the zero money votes.
Thank you for this post that brings hope.
You want to reward simple links to other sites or material?
The reason that's ok on facebook and reddit, is because there is no content exclusivity being sought after on those platforms themselves. People have their own sites, and they share content in a market. People go there for the connectivity of sharing content through a market.
Steemit is a content platform. That's what the author rewards are for. The whitepaper states to make Steemit a place for unique content that can only be had on Steemit. And also emphasizes not plagiarizing with the cheetah bot and the TOS I think...
Sharing links, sharing content of others, is what the "Decline Payout" option is for. Honestly. If you want to share content from others, then do it, create engagement like is suggested, but you didn't create the content. Keep the rewards for people who don't simply post a link, video, picture or short text from someone else. That's how I saw that feature being used when it was implemented, as I saw that as a problem if you want to just share something like FB, where you don't get $ for other people's work, but you can create engagement, comments, sharing/reblogging of that post itself, etc.
Peace.
I sure as hell do. Along with memes, cat pictures, cute kid videos, a review of your favorite taco joint, #fail, etc.
Why?
Because if you reward link posting then many people will come and post links. Not many people will ever write blogs, compose music, or create paintings.
There can be a certain place in the budget for brand-enhancing "altruism" in the form of rewarding high-quality content, but it can't be all of the budget or anything close to it.
The purpose of this platform is to reward users in order to attract more users and grow a large community. The approach that developed out of a misguided sense of trying to corral rewards to those who are "more deserving" has been destructive to this primary purpose.
If you have people posting links, thoughts, and comments, and other simple content, and earning large rewards for that, one of two things will certainly happen:
People within the system will feel this is unfair and come up with ways to reallocate rewards to "more deserving" content. We can create curation guilds, we can downvote "excess" rewards when undeserved, we can attract a few more excellent content creators who will also get relatively large rewards, etc. The rewards for simple content will fall, but only because it is instead being paid to a relatively small number of other, more talented, users. Those without any particular talent or celebrity are left out. Potential new users from outside the system, without any particular talent or celebrity, see no reason to join, or if they do join, find that they can't meaningfully participate and quit. This does little to increase the value of STEEM. In fact, it reduces it as "content creators" view their rewards as salary and cash out.
People outside the system will see people earning a lot of money posting links, cute cat pictures, etc. and will want to join to compete for a share of those rewards. They will think, "I can do that!" and they will be correct. The rewards for most of that simple content will fall dramatically (a very few viral posts may still make a lot, which is good because it encourages more posting of potentially-viral content), but in this case the rewards on that "low value" content will fall because a large number of people have joined to compete for those rewards, dramatically increasing the size of the community. This will increase the value of STEEM because a huge number of people will have it, know how to use it, and represent a large economic opportunity and audience.
Early adopters of this platform, myself included, made a wrong turn in considering how to respond to the mismatch between rewards and value. We chose #1 and it turned out to be largely a dead end. It isn't too late to try again and see whether #2 leads to a better place. It is quite possible that it does.
I'm 100% supportive of this initiative. I see it as an experiment but a very important one that should go forward without obstruction or interference.
Even if you are someone who is more supportive of rewarding "higher value" content, this experiment may work to your advantage. We need to be growing a large user base for the cryptocurrency that serves as the source of rewards to retain and grow value. Once we do that, there will be room to reward some amount of "high quality content" as part of what this community is about. That is a far better way to support content creators than paying them a little money in an unsustainable manner short term, not growing the user base, and ending up with a token that continues to crash in value with no rewards ultimately left going to anyone.
Thanks for giving your opinion.
I myself have absolutely no talent at all. I can't play an instrument, sing, write fiction, draw, paint, dance etc. You don't have to be talented to be creative.
I started with awful posts few months ago and slowly learnt how to edit and write interesting posts. It is not a talent but acquired experience. I think that such low quality posts should not be rewarded. I think that new users, talented or not should earn their way up here through their work before they start being rewarded for their content. To reward such content is inconsiderate towards other users who put a lot of time and work into this community. We have to decide if we are here to promotin Steemit as community blogging platform or to turn it into profit driven entity that adjusts itself according to the "market" not people's creative input.
We have to decide if it is quality platform for creative expression or just another twitter.
The user base is already quite large and keeps growing. The community is well established. You could have seen it during last Steem Fest - these users are the people who make up this community and make it great, and they should be rewarded for it.
I can not argee with you that the user base is 'quite large' nor than that it keeps growing. It has been stagnant in the 2-3k range for months, and multiple people have analyzed it and shown that a very significant number of those are bots. The true number of users is probably closer to 1000 and not growing significantly.
Neither the size of the user base nor the rate of (non-) growth are economically viable. Unless adjustments are made, the platform will continue to stagnate and ultimately fail altogether. This doesn't mean that my ideas for adjustments are the right ones, but we can't simply stick with what we have been doing. It doesn't work and won't work. I say this not to insult or disparage Steemit or the people who have poured a lot of effort into it, including yourself, but because I want it to succeed.
I know they do want it to succeed and you try your best. You are right that we need more users.
I'm just not convinced that rewarding poor quality content is a solution. There are many other ways. One of them is professional PR. There should be group assigned for making this platform heard of in crypto-community and mainstream media.
For example, we must contact crypto news sites on regular basis so they keep writing articles about STEEM just like they write about other crypto projects.
I think that PR aspect is highly neglected. We cannot just rely on users to contact media or wish that posting more content is going to attract the media.
"Poor quality" is very subjective and I think a little too tied to one particular approach. There is more than one way to interact that people feel is informative, entertaining, and generally adds value to their lives. No one is proposing or supporting worthless spam. If it isn't something that gets people excited to join and interact, then it won't add value and this initiative won't go anywhere. It is an experiment worth trying. That is not to rule out also doing other things like improved PR
I agree with your here @smooth - I thought the user base had stagnated around the 5000 mark. I think it may soon be time to get people in who know what they are doing to get the Steem valves rebored and ready to fire on a full on assault on the non-crypto market. Anything else just seems like ultimate failure like you say.
Such a crying shame for the many man hours put into the platform - far more than any other crypto apart from maybe Bitcoin and Litecoin!
It did stagnate around 5K for a while after the big surge in signups but then dropped lower to the current 2-3K. Some of that may be reduced botting/spam after the rep system, though some was very likely actual attrition due to loss of interest or other reasons. There are still many bots included in the lower figure.
Yeah, that's what I originally thought as well. Posting a single picture or a link isn't exactly what most people would consider "valuable." Links can be found anywhere and even most photography isn't valued anywhere close to the payouts seen on this site. A few cents for stock/landscape images is what you'd get almost anywhere else. I think the original, long-form content is what adds the actual value to this site content-wise. Other social factors can add value - such as sharing links and reblogging - but I don't believe that this is how the limited rewards should be allocated.
Exactly. I have no problem with people sharing content like that. I'll even upvote it once in a while. But I really don't think we need to create more curation guilds just for that type of content - and I honestly don't think the people posting that stuff actually care if they're being rewarded for it. It doesn't take more than a few seconds to drop a link or copy-paste an image into the editor. It doesn't take more than a few minutes to write a couple of lines for a "status update."
I think this will only generate more ill-will towards each other. Content creators vs. "link spammers." The latter getting rewarded just like the former probably wouldn't sit well with most people. We don't need to find ways to curate link-dropping. We need to find ways to make this platform more attractive for social media users - attractive in ways that aren't centered around "making money." That isn't what draws people to social media, as we can see from nearly every other social media site. It's about time that Steemit starts figuring this out.
No one wants to reward "link spammers" - it is of course not all black and white. There are many thoughtful short form posts and/or where the author links to interesting content.
Of course. There's lots of useful content that we can link to here on Steemit. But I just don't see how that adds value to Steemit and why that necessitates another curation group to specifically reward those who put up the links. What problem are you trying to solve with this initiative?
I'd assume the problem they're trying to solve is that there is nothing currently bringing value to Steemit. Post quality is dropping, engagement is dropping, users are dropping... If Steemit, inc. won't do anything to encourage adoption it's up to the community to make an effort and that's what I see being done here.
Right. But the problem then isn't that short posts aren't being rewarded. The problem is that the platform sucks for that type of social media use. The problem is development, not rewards and engagement. The latter will come when the former is fixed.
I think that bots have a lot to do with engagement. Newbies are disappointed because nobody reply. Me as curator also. If I find good post bots jump on it and I get no reward.
As a new person to Crypto and trying hard to learn so much, and then investing time making content, I honestly get bummed I work hard and get nothing, no engagement, no reward for most of my stuff. I basically left for 30 days because of this. I make sure every day I sign in here, to share the heck and resteem and upvote good content, I reblog a ton to help others and the site. No real rewards, the weights for things and work makes no sense, -- the average person does not get enough traction or have enough followers to give weight to their case. Just speaking freely. Something is not right here. I would like to see the smart people like all you guys in this post chatting about stuff I don't understand, help. I know you are working on it! TY for your time.
Links are mentioned in our post as examples of different types of content, but pure links were not the focus of this post. This post is about the community being open to shorter posts as a different type of content. The problem we are addressing is a lack of engagement in the content and a model + community behavior that currently favors only one type of content, which limits Steemit as a social media site. Did we announce any new initiatives or curation guilds? If so, I missed that part.
All my posts can be considered short form, as I post a video, a few lines of original text, and a picture. My posts earn average $5 per post, that's a start, I figure when the value of steem goes up I will earn $50 per post, and that is fair
That is platform-wide and it has little to do with the length of posts.
Well, you did say this in the post:
It may not be an official, new curation guild, but it certainly sounds like a new initiative to identify and curate certain posts by a group of people. I don't know what else we can call this. "Curation guild" seems to fit.
@craig-grant
I also upvote some of your posts. I don't discriminate based on how many words you typed. I don't think most other users do it that way either. If we like your content, we'll upvote it.
Besides - it's not the average user that skews the post rewards anyway. And if it's a problem with engagement, well...provide more engaging content. However, we first need to attract more engaging users - which requires the ability to attract users and to retain them.
Steemit is an experiment, a constantly evolving one. There's no technical reason why it cannot evolve into a more social platform.
Rewarding short form posts is another experiment. The community will decide whether that adds value to the platform.
"Decline Payout" is certainly an interesting option, and could go hand in hand with a revised short form section where the Trending page is arranged by engagement and not rewards. However, I also feel the author in this case could be thought of as a "curator". If someone finds interesting material in the public domain, links to it, adds a couple of lines with their thoughts, and this generates a lot of discussion and comments - they certainly have done their bit in adding value to the platform. It could of course be a fraction of the amount original content will receive.
Isn't that what the community is doing now? I would think that creating a group to specifically reward short-form content because it's not being rewarded by the community is the opposite of this.
We don't need to solve problems that don't exist. The problem is not that links, images, reblogs, and three-sentence posts aren't being rewarded enough. The problem is that the site is poorly developed for that type of content sharing. I'm curious to know - what exactly is the problem that this new experiment will solve, other than a perceived rewards distribution issue?
I see hundreds of short form posts every single day being ignored, generating no comments, and the authors eventually leaving the platform. Pretty simple problem. I don't know the solution to generating discussion and engagement, but I'm interested in seeing if this new project helps.
Three months ago, the same was true of original content - only a handful were being rewarded. There are several curation efforts today organized around promoting long form content - that problem has been solved.
I see plenty of long form posts every single day being ignored as well. Maybe the problem isn't the length of the posts? Maybe it has more to do with the UI features and the limited distribution of vests on the platform?
I happen to think you're trying to solve a very large problem with the wrong solutions. Instead of focusing on rewards, we need to focus on development. I have been guilty of this too, but it's time that we wake up and realize that this platform isn't attracting and retaining users - and it has little to do with the length of posts or the amount of rewards they get. It has to do with features/functionality and engagement. The latter isn't happening much because the former is terrible...and not enough people want to use this site. That's the problem. Let's get that resolved first, then see what happens.
Sharing my experience as a full time curator, there's a far greater proportion of ignored short form posts. For every long form post I curate, there are at least five short form posts I have to pass on simply because the curation guild I work with focuses on long form posts. It is as simple as that. I have seen authors writing short form content / sharing their thoughts linking to non-original content leave the platform and head back to Reddit etc.
There's no one solution to any problem. I'm sure the Steemit Inc team is hard at work developing the website. Meanwhile, the community will do its little bit to help. There needs to be different, varied efforts from different perspectives - that's how an experiment succeeds.
I completely understand you're not keen on this project, and that's just fine. I'm sure you have your own solutions - we have to work together. We shall see if it is successful like the long form curation projects have proven to be.
I have no problem with any kind of content, even just a heads-up, as long as copyrights aren't violated. The voters can decide if they find the content interesting or useful or adding value. I thought that was what we already had here. Apparently, short content doesn't get enough appreciation according to some. That's not a reason to curate short posts more, it's a signal from the voting community that they don't appreciate short content much. Only when short content gets a lot of votes but little money, there may be a reason to reward such content more, but such initiatives are already in place and we all suffer from this from time to time anyway, with all kinds of content.
Those were exactly my thoughts. If this platform is to be decentralized and based on the votes of users in order to filter "valuable" from "not valuable" content, then it's not necessary to identify the "not valued" posts and find ways to make sure that they are rewarded.
Now, is the current system of rewarding posts skewed or broken? Yes, it is. But that has nothing to do with the average user or the visibility of their content. It has to do with how the vests were distributed and how the posts are currently being upvoted (automated/bot voting, automated trails, curation guilds, etc.).
We need better development and smarter curators, not more gimmicks. This platform is going to live or die by its attractiveness to users as a social media platform. It's not going to die because someone didn't get $40 for telling us what they ate for breakfast or for linking their latest Vine from YouTube. It's not going to survive because Aunt Sally just earned $100 for posting another cat meme or because Jack was rewarded $50 for his 60-word snippet about his shiny new stapler.
Make this place better for the average social media user so that it can gain widespread adoption...or watch it shrivel and die as we all try to micromanage voting and rewards on a platform with an unfriendly UI. Resolve the development issues. Everything else should fall into place after that.
Being a short-story writer I love this Idea.
I actually quit making short stories for steemit because most of them went for 0, and had little interest unless a whale bumped up the value..
But my short stories get a whole bunch of attention on reddit! So i was confused how Steemit just totally disregarded them as worthless.
I understand this site is new and low active users, so I stuck around and changed my stories to be longer.
If this short form works, I would be more than happy to continue my short stories!
So great to see the continuing evolution of this platform and important participants in the community taking responsibility for supporting and creating what they want the platform To be.
That is what a true free market should and the best balance is achieved.
I have seen many beneficial upgrades happen because influential people chose to talk about and support those changes. Everyone else in the community then gets to support the trends that they want and ultimately an improved balance is realized.
Thank you for the multiple upgrades that you have already lead thus far.
Thank you for your post-
TBH we need a sexy design, chat/private messaging, a fancy post editor, the ability to pin or save posts, and an EASY way to purchase STEEM. IMO these items will attract average users that are seeking a new social site... The fact that our members ARE LEAVING STEEMIT to chat on discord is insane. Business 101 is to keep your members on your site for as long as possible, no?
I love the idea of embracing shorter posts.. in fact @inertia just posted about it so apparently there is a want, too https://steemit.com/steemit/@inertia/feature-request-share-a-link
My sister and I started @steempowertwins and our aim is to bring more life to the platform through personalized video comments. We have already received an overwhelming amount of reaction/support. More exciting ideas will be implemented soon, but it shows that our community is begging for some personalization!
I'm pretty sure Steemit Inc is working on most if not all those features. Meanwhile, the community will continue doing our bit. I love your video comments - just the kind of experiments we need!
I just pulled some metrics and it seems only ~3% of new users are posting. Yikes! If we can change the culture around the length of posts, perhaps it would seem less daunting to contribute content. Thank you!
Today is Rememberance Day. I did a nice short post featureing also the late great Leonard Cohen who just passed away on November 10 2016, reciteing " In Flounders Fields "a short video you really should check out! Heres my link : https://steemit.com/story/@karenmckersie/lest-we-forget-in-flanders-fields-poem-by-the-late-great-leonard-cohen Is this the kind of stuff your talking about?! Thanks!
I think the subject matter of a post is much more important than it's length. A well written 300 word post can convey the same message as a poorly written 1000 word post. Also, let's not forget that people also enjoy images and videos in their content. I think it's important to include at least two forms of media in each post, as long as the media included is helpful and adds to the overall quality of the post.
Agreed. I don't go around looking for posts that are a certain length and upvote them accordingly. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most users wouldn't even consider that as a factor in determining whether to upvote or not. The average user votes on posts that they like - the rest of the users vote on posts that they think will earn them the most curation rewards. The length of the post has nothing to do with it. If voting is skewed to a certain type of content, then there's likely one of two reasons for that.
The average voter has generally decided that a certain type of content is more valuable than another.
Those with the most influence have created popularity for a certain type of content and other users have adapted their voting habits to cash in on the expected rewards.
In the case of number 1, isn't that exactly how the platform is supposed to operate? In the case of number 2, the best solution is not to create another group of influential voters to vote for the other content. The best solution would be for the influential voters to become better curators - and maybe stop automating their votes and creating/joining large bot trails.
For us this is good because we like to tell story posts, and understand social media well. Most people will not read 1000 words, and this will limit the platform in the long term. So for this is really great, and we hope to see more of this great ideas.
with longer posts it seemed as they were lectures, shorter posts seems to be a better read for any one and you can be sure it will be read and voted on if liked.
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This is going to be so much fun! Really looking forward to this!
It's a good review, I think ..
Short form of writing that accompanied the images, as proof or supporting ideas or information, I think this is an interesting trend of writing for an age where information technology has been updated. The reader long article, or book, is for those who truly the reader, not the community.
@donkeypong, I think, I have to enter this post as a reference... resteemed
Shrtr=Bttr ;-)
Interesting post my friend @donkeypong, there are great truths in them.
Excellent idea congratulations for it.
Thanks for sharing another wonderful material
Resteemed, interesting review
Sometimes I wish I could write a post so long that my hands will hurt! But I don't always want to write in length when I want to post about my art!
Fabulous idea, @donkeypong! I look forward to the new idea "unveiling"!
This would be nice. Let's see if anything happens.
For sure there is not a single and simple solution. Quality and interest are not always a function of article's length.
Why not start using #short for this kind of content so people could find it easily if they want?
There's hope for us all.Great news :)
I read this whole post, I find the trends and those who can decipher and predict them, really interesting. Thankful to be able to read and learn. Sincerely, a minnow (:
I completely support small posts, if it only as a video, music or meme that I like I support and upvote it, I also think its important that we all support these small posts, as you have said sometimes when I see posts that are really long I dont have the time or patience to read it and do skip it with no upvote.
do you also vote offending and derogatory posts? at least, read them!
I think what will keep many people from dropping Facebook and using Steemit is that they can no longer get by with little posts like "Went to the grocery store and spent $300..."
They will actually have to be creative and use their brain. That would deter millions of people.
The fact that Steemit thrives on intelligent, creative, and original material is great, but also somewhat of a curse, because we "Steemians" are becoming somewhat of an elite group. We know better than to post useless crap about our lives that most FB users get away with. Plus, each of our posts needs to be accompanied by a corresponding photo, which adds a challenge. Some posts stand alone on their own without a photo. So thinking of what photo to add that can compliment a simple post is a challenge.
So I don't think Steemit will ever experience nearly as much popularity as FB. Just my thought on the matter.
That's encouraging. I've always felt my venn diagram posts are overlooked because they're pretty short. But the data in the graphics takes time and effort to compile, and it's data you won't find anywhere else. Maybe they'll finally start to attract some attention now that short posts aren't penalized.
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Happy to hear this! We want steemit to be the best place for all styles of content, and have some great ideas for the site to make it adapt dynamically to different post lengths.
I agree that a mix of long and short posts are necessary for a mature social network. I saw the other day someone actually got flagged for posting a short summary and link to a external story , I don't believe that was appropriate use of a flag and you just let the voters decide. One downside is the rise of bot votes where personal preference doesn't even enter the decision to upvote or not.
Isn't this exactly what you got banned for months ago?
Alittle plagerism then, and now its going to be ok... how does this make you feel @r4fken?
I think you deserve another chance, honestly I'm surprised your here, and more surprising is that your more active than 90% of non-banned users.
Good luck, I hope to see your rating increase.