English version
Big news: @wang's robot is fall in love, forever
@xiaohui is my best friend, we discuss everything almost everyday, from investing to coding , from women to men and to robot. :-)
This morning, to our surprise, we found out that @wang's robot is voting on every post he posted in the last 24 hours:
- 北京的朋友看过来,下面这个五天四晚北京游的安排合理不? / 5日北京游
- 我有一个计划写一本小说在streemit /我准备在Steemit上写一个连载小说,龙套角色欢迎报名
- Perfect对于中国的验证解决方案:支付宝信任验证/中文用户注册校验的完美解决方案:芝麻信用分校验
- The CN 标记接近顶部steemit 10 / Steemit的CN中文版面马上就要进入Steemit前十了
- 欢迎加入Steemit QQ群434624757,260917779 /欢迎Steemit QQ聊天群434624757,260917779
- 中英图文教程:如何在Steemit点赞或踩贴/如何给予好评或downvote上Steemit
We are both developers, we don't know @wang and we noticed his robot is posting everywhere, and voting as well. In the past a few years, we have designed a few robot software too, so we were intrigued in wang's robot:
- How does it work?
- What will we do if we want to design the same kind of robot?
- Is it a good thing or a bad thing for the community?
2. How to detect high quality posts?
If we want to design a robot like that, The first thing we have to do is to find a way to detect high quality posts. To achieve that, the robot have to find a way to avoid most of the low quality posts.
The question is:
What's the difference between high quality posts and low quality posts?
Different writing skills? No, robots have no fucking idea what the "skill" is, they only know numbers.
I think the big difference is that high quality writer have high income, they must have more STEEM POWER in their account than others.
Anyway that's only our guess, let's see some data:
Have you found out anything? That's right,The above picture shows that 74.9% of the active accounts have less than $90 worth of STEEM POWER,—— What? Haha, You must be one of them.:)
This means total reward for each of them, is less than $200. it's safe the say , most of them don't have high quality posts, maybe some of them are posing high quality original posts everyday, but no whales or few dolphins have ever voted for them, robots can't identify that, so the first parameter can be used by the robot is:
- more than $100 worth of STEEM POWER in each account.
3. Why @wang's robot is fall in love with @xiaohui, but not me? Why? Why? Why?
@wang's robot hadn't vote for me? why?
You know, @xiaohui and my account @laonie signed up at the same day on steemit. We are from the same freelance developers community, Our friends are Geeks with at least 15 years of experience. We work together to invite them to join us, answer every question, we are doing the same job at the same time.
So what's the difference between his account and mine? For robots, they don't care our feelings, they only deal with the numbers, So, let's compare the difference of some numbers between @xiaohui and @laonie:
Account | Steem Power | Worth | Average reward/Post |
---|---|---|---|
@xiaohui | 608 | $2,091 | $68 |
@laonie | 43,735 | $150,368 | $25.5 |
As you can see, the average reward of @xiaohui is much more than mine. His average reward is $68, but mine is only $25.5.
So ,we thought the second parameter that the robots can use, to determine whether a post is valuable or not is:
- The average reward of all posts, the higher the better
We thought about other parameters such as the total votes or total comments on each posts, they are easy to fake, so we think it's not wise to use them.
Maybe @wang's robot have other parameters, but we think the above two is most important.
4. The most important parameters for the robot to vote
This is our conclusion during our research , The most important two parameters for the robot to vote is:
- The account shoud have at least $100 worth of STEEM Power.
- Average reward of all posts, the higher the better.
So we guess, @wang's robot should have limited the STEEM POWER between $200 - $2000, and the average reward limit is between $25.5 - $68.
If you have more than $2000 STEEM POWER in your account, and your average reward is more than $68, his robot will vote every post of yours.
As you can see , we have 6464 active members in last 24 hours, only 112 whales and dolphins have more than $90,000 worth of STEEM POWER, most of them are developers, they don't have enough time to read every post, maybe a lot of them are relying on robots to do the voting job for them, for the future of this community, we need more dolphins and big fish to do the voting job, but most of the newbies here don't understand cryptocurrency and won't buy STEEM, but i believe as time goes by, more and more people will get comfortable with it, and will hold it.
If you are working hard on original articles, but haven't get fair reward, don't be frustrated,my suggestions are:
- Create a new account, and buy at least $2000 worth of STEEM POWER.
- Make friends with the whales or dolphins like me, as many as you can.
If your posts have high quality, i will vote for you, @wang's robot will fall in love with you, most of all other robots will fall in love with you too, forever!
中文部分
1. 大事件:@xiaohui 被 @wang 的机器人宠幸了
@xiaohui 是我的好基友,我们每天在网络上无所不聊,从投资到代码,从育儿到旅行,从女人到男人再到机器人。好基友的意思,你懂的。:-)
今天上午,出乎我们的意料,我们发现 @wang 的机器人在给他过去24小时内每一个帖子投票:
- 北京的朋友看过来,下面这个五天四晚北京游的安排合理不? / 5日北京游
- 我有一个计划写一本小说在streemit /我准备在Steemit上写一个连载小说,龙套角色欢迎报名
- Perfect对于中国的验证解决方案:支付宝信任验证/中文用户注册校验的完美解决方案:芝麻信用分校验
- The CN 标记接近顶部steemit 10 / Steemit的CN中文版面马上就要进入Steemit前十了
- 欢迎加入Steemit QQ群434624757,260917779 /欢迎Steemit QQ聊天群434624757,260917779
- 中英图文教程:如何在Steemit点赞或踩贴/如何给予好评或downvote上Steemit
我们都是程序员,从不认识 @wang。通过观察,我们发现,他的机器人在自动发贴,也在自动投票。在过去几年,我们也在不同领域写了许多的机器人程序。所以 @wang 的这个大杀器,一下引起了我们的兴趣:
- @wang 的机器人是如何工作的?
- 如果我们要设计的同类机器人,我们要怎样做?
- 这种机器人的出现,对于 Steemit 社区来说是好事还是坏事?
2. 如何检测高质量的贴子?
如果我设计一个类似机器人,那么,首先,我们必须找一个办法,来检测到高质量的帖子。机器人必须找到一种方法,过滤掉大部分的低质量文章。
那么,问题来了:
高品质的文章和低质量的究竟有什么区别?
前者有高的写作技巧?不,机器人不知道什么技巧,它们只知道数字。
我认为最大的区别在于,高品质文章的作者有高奖励,所以他们的帐户中必然有多于大部分人的 STEEM POWER.
猜测从来都是不靠谱的。让我们用数据来说话,看图:
你看出什么了没有?没错,上图显示,活跃账户中,74.9% 的用户,STEEM POWER 的价值不足 90$。—— 什么?你就是这其中的一员?哈哈,我可没有打击你的玻璃心的意思哈。:)
这意味着, 74.9% 的用户每人奖励总额,低于$200。可以保守的说,这些人发的大部分帖子,都是低质量的,也许他们中的一些会天天出产高质量的原创文章,但很少有土豪注意到并投票给他们,机器人更不可能检测到这些文章,所以可以由机器人采用的第一项参数是:
- 在每个帐户中至少有价值 100$ 以上的 STEEM Power 。
3. 为什么 @wang 宠幸了 @xiaohui, 而不是我?
@wang 的机器人没有在我的帖子投票。为什么?
要知道,@xiaohui 和我的帐号 @laonie 同一天 steemit 注册。我们都是来自同一个自由职业者社区,我们的朋友都是至少拥有15年开发经验以上的资深程序员或自由职业者, 我们共同努力,邀请他们加入这个新的领域,有问必答,有贴必回,比矿工还矿工,我们所做的是同样的工作。
那我们的不同在哪里呢?对机器人来说,它不懂我们人类的复杂心思。它只会与数字打交道。所以,让我们来比较一下 @xiaohui 和我的帐户区别:
帐号 | Steem Power | 市值 | 平均每贴报酬 |
---|---|---|---|
@xiaohui | 608 | $2,091 | $68 |
@laonie | 43,735 | $150,368 | $25.5 |
你应该看出来了,@xiaohui 的每贴平均报酬比我要多得多。他的帖子的平均奖励为 $68,而我只有 $25.5。
所以,我们认为,机器人判断一个用户的贴子是否有价值的第二个参数则是:
- 所有帖子的平均报酬,越高越好
我们考虑过其它的参数,比如每个帖子的总票数和回帖数,但这些很容易伪造,所以我们认为使用它们是不明智的。
也许 @wang 的机器人还有使用其它参数,但是我们认为以上两项是最重要的。
4. 机器人投票的最重要两项标准
这就是我们研究判断出来的结论,机器人投票最重要的两项标准如下:
- 在每个帐户中至少有价值 100$ 以上的 STEEM Power 。
- 所有帖子的平均报酬,越高越好
所以我们猜测,@wang 的机器人投票标准是: STEEM POWER 为 $200 - $2000, 帐户中所有帖子平均报酬为: $25.5 - $68 之间.
如果您的帐户中有超过 $2000 的STEEM POWER, 并且帖子的平均报酬是超过 $68,那么他的机器人会给你的每一贴点赞。
正如你所看到的,我们在过去24小时内 6464 名活跃成员,只有 112 土豪有超过 $90,000 STEEM Power,其中大部分是程序员,他们没有足够的时间阅读每一个帖子,也许其中不少人依靠机器人来为他们投票。 为这个社区的未来,我们需要更多的普通人持币并投票,但这里的大部分新手不懂加密货币,也不会买STEEM,但是我相信随着时间的推移,越来越多的人会有信心持有它。
如果您在努力创作原创文章,但都没有得到公平的报酬,不要沮丧,我的建议是:
- 创建一个新帐户,买满 $2000刀的 STEEM Power。
- 多交几个像我这样的土豪做朋友。
如果您的文章质量高,我会将票投给你,机器人也会。
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Well @laonie it is difficult to define what is a quality post, because when you start from the bottom and have no steem power you are litterally invisible to the masses. Also, there are so many posts in "new" that even if there is an interesting one, it's impossible to tell them apart from the others. I hope my posts will get through one day but it doesn't really mean they are "quality" or not. It's a really subjective matter I believe. Thanks for explaining how the bots work!
Agree, even if you read every post, there don't have any standard to justify whether a post a good or not, you can only say you like it or not.
We will have to work with that until a better system come along, I hope that we will get a system where it's possible for most people to have a voice or be heard a bit more because now it seems like the whales have a crazy amount of power even considering to the rest of all the users. It's fine for now but it has to change in the near future, we'll see!
The whales are developers, i believe most of them are using bots to vote.
Probably...
不一定,我这几天翻了大量的贴子,没有你注意到这么详细,但有一些大鱼是手工点赞,不过@wang的机器人算法做得很好
目前steemit应该算是最有创意的
I would prefer working button "Follow". It'll be easer to keep interesting authors.
I saw that button on steemit, but the features are not complete yet, I believe the developers are working on that,
😀 @wang when is the wedding? Ill bring scrap metal for the cake i have some in the back yard. I got you bro, i got you!
It's very funny :)
i wrote it on the wrong reply. But thank you!
坐等@wang 看他什么时候出现。。。。
wang怎么没来顶这贴
can't comment ^_^&&bignewswangsrobotisfallinlovesheisvotingoneverypostsofxiaohuiorxiaohuiwang
因為 Wang Bu Jian Wang
where are you? wang!
我说呢这一整天没看到你动静,等来这么一篇专业的文彩,赞一个:)弱弱的问下, 好基友,有没有一起睡过 :)
英文太烂,写了半天就折腾出这么个破文章出来,好基友哪能没一起睡过呢:)
在一起 在一起!
已经很牛逼了。
过奖了,谢谢!
Thank you! Great read! Did you guys thought about taking the average of only the last weeks post or months as old post might not be very representative of the newer trends. It's just my input on this subject. Thank you for that post!
This might come handy guys!
The ultimate guide to Steemit
Yea, @wang does that. he adds you to his list if he likes your posts and then the bot upvotes every post. It's like a 15$ reward every time :) Enjoy it!
I don't think his robot need a whitelist.
hello let's be friends I'm a developer with many languages knowledge
will create some bot to archive steemit images soon I believe
Great, i am testing the API of STEEM recently, want to build some bots to have fun.
Do you see my post about the image in the steem post? https://steemit.com/steemit/@feelapi/fake-photo-in-the-post. I think all the images, wherever it's original stored, after you put the url into the post, it will be cached on img1.steemit.com.
@laonie We're working on a few things bot related over here...
https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@williambanks/announce-steembots-com-your-source-for-everything-bot-related-now-hiring
Part of that is a code of conduct. I've never been able to find out who @wang's owner is but the hope is to eventually make all of this extremely fair for everyone while giving bot builders the tools to build much more useful and intelligent bots. Let me know what you think. Thanks!
Interesting, i will check your post later, thanks.
Thanks you :)
难怪@wang从来没有投过我的票,如果真是这样,那我们最少得购买$200-$1000才有投票权重
是啊,多屯币,一定要多屯币,发财就靠多屯币,再重复一遍,多屯币。:)
已经在 okcoin买了币,今天做了实验,可以从poloniex支付到steemit,很方便
有意思的帖子,技术高手啊
Thank you for the english version as well laonie. Was good read.
Greetings from Canada
Thank you for your warm comment.
大家跟@laonie 混,有肉吃.
嗯,我还没有使用bots, 所以....嘿嘿
Nice analysis! So I just have to hope rewards will get better when I will finally become a user...
A lot of people just don't understand how the bots works, so they are flooding new posts to steemit, the consequence is that their's average reward will be lower and lower, so create a new account make sense.
不错很有启发。
群里看到还以为是简单的秀恩爱贴,原来真的憋了个大招:)
哈哈,多谢捧场!
秀恩爱秀恩爱,你才秀恩爱,你们全家才秀恩爱……
你们是怎么发现 @wang 是个机器人的?
机器人很多,何止是@wang的,他的机器人,在introduceyourself那个tag里,每贴必跟贴,而且内容都是一样的。
@wang is so annoying
原来xiaohui 是男生? 我还以为是女生
你错了 是女生来的 lol
i am now very confused...
是小辉,不是小惠。 :)
既然说到多屯币,那怎么用人民币买steem power ,我写了一个入门贴,新手可以看看:https://steemit.com/cn/@steven1980/steem
这个教程不错!给你点赞!
原来是老聂和表格合作的作品,果然人多力量大啊。已经开始组团忽悠了吗?
主要是我写的,然后找他帮我润色了一下汉语的部分,英语的部分他一个字母都没有动过。:)
不是我俩的结晶 :)
Thank you @laonie for filling me in on this information about @wang...
Hello everybody.. I was once a favorite of @wang and benefited greatly... unfortunately last week, I came to a realization.. after a few post, that I was no longer on said WHITELIST
My #firstworldproblems began at that very moment... consistent and full of original creative content I created was now back to the very bottom of the pit scratching and clawing for more attention as the rest of the community does.
We shall see if I redeem myself and return to the epic greatness everyone took notice of and greatly appreciated...
@wang is voting on his / her whitelist. that means the human behind wang looks for great bloggers and then adds it to his / her whitelist. wang will now upvote all posts from these authors after 15 minutes. from time to time the human behind wang looks at some upvoted posts if they have still a good quality. if not wang will contact the blogger to improve his posts again so that he can be kept on the whitelist.
would be great if this future would be implemented for all. just imagine, you could follow a person and upvote their posts though that automatically. this would also be much more fair for users that are not technically skilled enough to use a bot.
@wang never contacted me... I just stopped being upvoted by him and a few others right after the new rep system was implemented
it could be, that the steemit whales are changing their voting policy to more upvote new members...
Great post, I'm glad to see @wang finding love in the chinese community too. Good to have you all on Steemit - consider me a follower of yours :)
@wang 已不在
@laonie 我们可以做朋友吗?
Robot love, lol.
老聂真神人,居然用英语写出这么一大篇文章,佩服!
好帖子,看了这些帖子,学到不少东西。
坚定跟随大牛们的脚本,努力学习
@wang plz vote for me!
This is very useful advice. I'm surprised more people didn't see it lol. I'm going to start slowly increasing my SP as more of my investments mature so I can get closer to that 2000 SP. Thank you for your help. Look forward to more of this sort of analysis.
For people like me who are not coders (I'm a doctor) we need to rely on people who have the knowledge about these things (same way people rely on us for medical knowledge).
I'am glad this article is useful for you, i followed you, looking forward to see your new posts.
Thank you. I look forward to your next post too. BTW are you in any other cryptos apart from STEEM? I'm into BTC (obviously) but also WAVES (which has been a disappointment so far), LISK (also disappointing), was in DOA/ETH till hack but now in ETC (which is doing nicely). Also in ICOs for Stratis and Heat - will have to see how those work out.
I am into BTC (prefer online scaling like Classic )as well , LTC(maybe a replacement if BTC stuck on scaling), ETH( sold par of them after the hardfork), LISK(disappointing too), DASH(the voting system for DASH BUDGET PROPOSALS is interesting),MAID(still keeping on eye on it). A lot of innovations happend in the world of cryptocurrency ,it's hard to follow all of them.
Yes. Got a little MAID too still (seems like nothing every happens with it) also XRP (same). Got out of DASH a while back - might get back in eventually. Agreed too much going in with everything. I got quite disillusioned with ETH when I found out about the hardfork. I'm reserving judgement on ETC but have bought a couple of bitcoin worth just in case - I appreciate the principal though. It's also been more profitable to mine on some days (changes all the time) I used to have a lot of mining stuff but sold it off last year due to high electricity costs here. Now just have a gaming PC which I use to mine just for fun when not using for games. I'm trying out STEEM right now to see if it is worthwhile but if not will go back to ETC or ETH depending on profitability.
Got out of LTC a while back too. Might get back in again if the BTC people start fighting over scaling again - right now they are busy fighting over ETC and ETH!
Are you on twitter? I'm @Soul_Eater_43 - if you want to follow.
I followed your twitter, had an twitter account, but barely use it, because too much information , and time is precious.
I understand. We have too much information these days. Some days I follow twitter some days I just can't keep up.
Это тяжело читать через переводчик ;)