I have a question for those who are planning to run multiple platforms as they arrive in the coming months and years. How many times is it okay to get paid for the same content? This is quite a serious question really, even if just looking at Steemit.
One thing that is often commented upon at Steemit is the 7 day payout window (it used to be 30) whereas on other platforms like YouTube, it is mostly unlimited. It is also common practice that accounts will have a presence on multiple platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. However, these do come with differences to places like Steemit where the payment not only comes out of a public pool but, it is possible to pay yourself from it. This alone is going to raise many questions isn't it?
But, let's say that a whale who has a presence on Steemit bought a fair bit of EOS at 50 cents, uses ONO and whatever else will be attached, posts the same content across all and self-votes, that is going to be a massive amount of monetization that the author can choose themselves isn't it? I don't know how all the platforms will work of course but even without self-voting, the chances for large amounts on the same content is very high.
I may not like people advertising other platforms here but, I do understand why they are doing it as essentially they will be able to take some of their supporters over with them and get their accounts moving without having to ever start from zero, like most others. It would also mean that people can vote on the same article twice or more on various platforms. It seems likely that the circle-jerks are going to be cross-platform and therefore, the current difficulty of governance is going to be near impossible.
I have been thinking about this for myself from a content perspective too as I would likely be classed as someone who produces a lot of content daily. The interesting thing with a lot of what I write is that it can be read at anytime with minimal effort required to change it for suitability for different audiences. I fashioned a lot of it without being bound to a time frame in case Steemit ever found a way to have a continual payout window but, it will work similarly if I chose to post across various interfaces also. I am not saying that every piece I write is gold but, I do think that some are pretty good and creative and assume there will be a niche at just about every platform.
But, this goes beyond just the content in my thinking as if the same people with the know-how to buy in on content sites are appearing on all with heavy investment, the same faces and therefore, same content is going to be appearing at all sites. This low content diversity carries risks for all platforms as does having low diversity of people at the top. Again, each platform is going to behave differently but, I don't yet know how to different they will be considering their starting points.
This is going to take bots to all new levels of monetization also as the operators will be able to distribute content easily to many platforms which means, those that are already here will spread out but, those that start on the new platforms will spread into Steem. It is going to open up a whole new circle of Spam hell.
I don't know how all of this is going to pan out but I think we can all agree that when there is money involved, every possible loophole, trick, scam and play are going to be attempted and we can see how complex it gets just here. What happens when there are several directly monetized platforms operating on top of each other with the same people being the first ones to spread into the next latest and greatest?
Even though this is the way things have to go and there is so much potential for so many, it is going to create a very big mess and it runs the risk of developing massive inequalities between users very fast, no matter when they decide to adopt the platform. I am just hoping it all operates better and with advantages for many more than the world we have today.
Taraz
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One of the main characteristics curation guilds focus on is "steemit original content", which means that even though an article posted on steemit belongs to the author, if it was posted somewhere else first, then it is not eligible for curation.
If the same happens in other platforms, this means that original content won´t be curated in more than one platform - the one that its posted first.
The problem here is, just like with bidbots (but squared), the original content will get scraps and the abusive/circle jerking/bidbot using content will get a bigger share of the pie because, as we´ve seen, curation guilds have a list of rules for curating, abuse has one or two rules...
I think we will see abuse grow to a higher level once the new platforms arrive, a cross platform abuse if you may. But as you said, we are humans.
A lot of people believe that the new platforms will be an utopia. I think, as they will be ran by humans and used by humans, the abuse will come in many different ways, even if the new platforms find a way to "stop" the abuse that is happening on steemit, a new form of abuse will be born. We are humans, we find flaws and we explode them and these new platforms won´t be safe from our human nature.
It is a strange world we live in when original is undervalued as normally it is the knockoffs and mass produced that have low status.
I think this too. Every piece of code has flaws and humanity is coded to maximise, even if it costs others they rely on. the evolution of human is moving towards us being able to hack our own code, those who are incapable of self control are those who are yet to evolve.
I agree with your concerns, although can also see that the creator deserves to be rewarded across platforms as they are contributing to each - so why not get "paid" by each platform. This is fair for good quality content (as some readers may not otherwise find it if they stick to say Steemit) but I agree that this would not be good for poor quality content that might then get pumped everywhere. Aaargh!
it is going to get messy :D
Indeed!
Money easy this attracts any kind of technique for many who think they know everything, a few days ago they invited me to another platform and proposed that I upload all my previous publications, I kept thinking that I would be doing a kind of spam, finally I support the healthy diversification, we can be on various platforms and go as bloggers of specific topics, always being authentic and original in each of our publications, the easy money will make you fall into many traps that will work in the short term, but I am sure that only the good ones will remain giving the best in each blog, happy Sunday thanks for your opinion.
Personally, I have no problem with an author sharing their content in different venues.
Neither do I but I think there are going to be many complications on top of just the sharing.Hard to predict them all yet but, the circles and spam are likely going to get quite extreme.
I imagine the community will come up with something :)
People peruse that instead of trending because they know their eyeballs are valuable.
Readers/ curators who care about cross platforming will look for assurances the author posts here first. Look at Stefan Molyneux.
He's a massive Youtuber but makes $2 a video here because steemit is an afterthought. Look at the #nobidbots tag in response to bidbots.
There will be plenty of tools to use but I think this might make the space even worse if you know what I mean. Fun though probably. For the dedicated, they have a chance to actually live of it all quite easily perhaps.
Am sure most people would prefer to be paid as much as possible for the same content. That way profit is maximize but it limits the number of new and creative contents
Groups like steemSTEM and SteemRomania (both of which I contribute my time to) employ plagiarism filters to prevent it. I guess publishing on another platform first will still trigger the filters. Now rules must be made and we should really think if we want to limit it and how. It's a big discussion, something to ponder for a week or two and then take a side. Not to be taken lightly.
But can you plagiarize your own content? I mean if you post your own content on two different platform does it count as plagiarism?
Sure you can plagiarize yourself. I think that by original content we are also implying content that is posted only here. When you post it the second time, the local "cheetah" would have something to say, be it here or there. If I start replying the same comment to all my commenters, someone will flag me eventually :D
Difficult to say because different audiences may be following the same content on different platforms.
But doesn't @cheetah keep track of content copied from other platforms? In that case, it would be the upvoters' job to decide whether or not to upvote.
it does but I think it would be possible to get whitelisted since the content isn't plagiarised.
Perhaps a bot could keep track of content published on multiple platforms to help those people who care decide if they want to upvote. You couldn't get whitelisted by that bot but that bot would not level any accusations against anyone, either.
there will be many options and all the trouble each one will raise along the way :D
If I’m not mistaken there is a way to verify your identity with that service. So people who actually are such and such can avoid having to deal with further issues down the road. I’m not someone of important to need worry about that kind of thing as such I’ve never looked further into it.
We all seen how some people come here to just use a famous name and pretend to be them. While other times that YouTube or who ever is really them expanding their diversification in platforms and audience.
Valid points, I am close to going to bed and you just made that task harder. Well, we can be on our toes and we can have discussions into how to counter that. Solutions are not always perfect, but we can devise something. I guess that we could have meetings to promote ideas, I just don't know if anyone in control will ever listen to them!
For example I don't know why the "views" was removed, but I suspect it was because of the few whales posting well-voted content (triple figures) while only having under 10 views. I saw a few of those in these months.
Congrats for the steemSTEM vote earlier :P
Keep up the good work!
The views was brokan and easy to game, just refresh the page a few times. I am hoping they are repairing it but I suspect it was removed because even broken, manybidbot voted posts weren't getting the views they were claiming to provide.
Thanks, It was a nice surprise :)
Yes because a "view" should be equal to a unique IP or even a unique username.
If your suspicion turns out to be right isn't it funny how fast something can happen if it's hurting those making the most money. Now if views were hurting the little guy some how we'd still be talking about it three years down the road.
This is what we have to counter. I think that if the many are organized we are easier to be seen as a single entity.
My humble opinion is that it is OK to get paid for the same content on multiple platforms...the platforms set the rules of reward distribution...if the content is deemed worthy by whoever is in charge of distributing the rewards than you either opt-in on the platform or opt-out. For example for me it’s important to get the content to as many people as possible and cross-platform sharing is one of the ways.
I personally have been upvoting content copied from other personal blogs onto Steem when I was in charge of @sndbox-alpha. The idea behind it was that the content was still better than 95% of the shit that is being posted here every day and I might as well just support good content...The author too just wanted to share is content with audiences on other platforms...and hell it worked...i found it and curated it:)
EDIT: IF the one in charge of the "upvoting tool" has already seen the content he cna still ignore it on that one platform i guess...Not creating too much new content also minimizes information overload
Yes, I am not against it but, it is going to create some very, very interesting dynamics between users and absolutely, good content should be rewarded wherever it is. I think there are going to be lots of great opportunities for relative unknowns to actually get seen and make some decent returns. I hope I can help with them. What I am not looking forward to is the drivel of Trending in every trending section...
Gotcha...I think that the trending as we know it is purely problem of how steem works...for example narrative with its communities proly wont have any trending page whatsoever.
It's very interesting what you're saying, @tarazkp. I have recently joined this platform and it seems to me that the time is very short to "collect" votes, in fact, I have seen how some new people like me have voted after they have completed their time. I think this should vary or at least steemit should look for a way to point out which posts are current and which are not. As for the other, there should be a mechanism to reward the "premiere" of our texts. the platform that gets the first fruits of our thoughts should be able to reward the healer better. You leave me an assignment for the afternoon: to think about what you write well here. Productive Sunday.
The biggest issue I see is content theft. It is something YouTube is having to deal with where bots are just downloading and uploading 100’s to 1000’s of videos in a matter of hours.
If it’s your content you should be able to reuse it but that also means there will need to be some kind of process to verify you are the owner of that content and some kind of system in place to catch those just stealing other people’s work.
I do think it is a bit harsh to only be paid for first 7 days of your work in this kind of content creation. Even with how far profits generated tend to drop off after the first week or two for most content it is nice to have passive income from older works. If you had 10,000 blogs and they all could earn revenue your new content covert first-time views into short-term binge views of your content would be great.
With that said not all types of content will work cross-platform and those would be easy to spot. Naturally very specific platform content and anything that is affected by time will not carry much worth moving forward.
I could see myself at the very least wanting to redo some of my works and publish them elsewhere. I think as content creators that is just a very smart thing to do. Why put in 10+ hours into a high-quality content piece when you could spend an hour or two updating it and making it more for that platforms target audience. I have quite a few very time consuming pieces of content I’ve created in the past and it just be nice if they could earn a better ROI for the time invested into them.
Will be more interesting I think to see how other platforms deal with the issue as well. It might also change how some creators move forward in kind of content they create. As some of their stuff has little to no value on another platform.
this is how I see it too which is why I mentioned my own 'non-time specific' content. I also think that there is going to be room for a lot more translation work in the future too.
There are going to be many variables of course and eventually it will hopefully come together so many can benefit.
I think one thing that could cause a huge road bump for many is difference of culture in platform. As we have seen here with some ways people choose try and promote themselves via spam linking their blogs. They might consider that practice acceptable as they yell in a market place all day long to “come and buy fresh fish” or whatever it is in their local market but overall our platform does not like that.
Words can also have different meaning in different language and I can see people having to deal with that issue as well. That will certainly be the case when it comes to translations. There have been many companies that found out the hard way their product name directly translated into another language means something offensive or bad.
Someone once on steemit was offended because of my username. I could also see people stealing/name already taken issues. Which will make trying brand things rather difficult if you have to use a bunch of different names.
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Don't think you could stop it. nothing stops you posting this article on other platforms. You wrote it so it's not copied. Unfortunately the greedy will do it. They will post every article they wrote for Steemit on the other platforms. Wish you could black list Steemians who operate on other competitor platforms. you know how long it has taken you to build your reputation and standing in the community. They will be trying to do it there with all the shortcuts. The genuine newbies starting on those don't stand a chance.
No, I know and I ma not sure you would want to stop it completely but, it is going to throw lots of new complications into the ecosystem considering the amount already here :)
Quite simply, this post comes to answer several anomaly concerning the curation and exactly that for the same content shared by the other platform I think it is question of time before putting in place strategies and measures to solve this problem
Another platform with same users and the same content. It is enough how unpleasant one platform is. Then the other. It is going to be a pool of quantity over quality. Share same content on both platforms and all sort.
But, we just wait to see for exactly what it is going to be like.
@tarazkp you have said it well, most times I wonder why the seven days payment plan was choosen and most times after I must have written a quality post I wished the payment plan would have continued after seven days.
Honestly, writing posts which will have relevance even after is something worth paying attention to because you never know what the future holds for us and this platform. Thanks @tarazkp for this, I appreciate it.
Things tend to even out. Yes, on every platform people that are looking to make a quick buck in any possible way will be present.
Using the platforms to vote for yourself and actually make some money off it is a privilege very few people actually have. The bots though is a more serious issue that the developers of all the platforms will have to address. I personally believe that the mess you are predicting will happen when the SMT is going to launch, I actually can't wait.
Wow it was!
Im just wondering which would have an effect on which
Lets be optimistic, though that seems quite bleak atm but, we will see. Hope your wife got better
I try to remain optimistic.. positive affirmations morning and night, middle of the day and everytime before I log on to steemit. ;) We'll see in time.
She is still in bed. quite weak :/
I think it should be fair with the publications of information content and more that fill learning, in some cases pay more to those who publish things of little creativity and that does not help to determine the great works, you are very right and this must be taken care of immediately to have a better world and know how to appreciate content such as what you do
Really wonderful picture
You are a wonderful and professional photographer
This post is not about photography! This kind of behavior can harm your account and even get you flagged!
You got to have fun with them so if they read your comment they are even more confused!
I really loved the part about the flying unirons. The way he developed the characters monolog it just brought tears to my eyes. Almost as much as someone being 55 reputation by leaving comments not relating to the blog.
wise words....
wow amazing very nice photography friends
I suppose there could be groups of people like @steemcleaners that will check if the content was already posted somewhere else, and take the necessary actions if that were the case.
In Steem for example, we could start using a new tag like "steemexclusive" to let the reader know that content is only available in Steem.
And yes, the whales circlejerking can be a risk if it also happens in other platforms, the same goes with the people who "predict" prices.
But as you said, we don't know how the other platforms are going to work as of yet.
PS: are you planning on using any of them? or you will keep using just steem?
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oh its so great content ,,i agreed
100% with you
i am a user of only steemit ,,for every great work every user get a fair of reward ..its for a great quality based work..but some time its happended for not quality based unacceptable in all platform,,no doubt
please cancel downvote sir
you didn't read it.
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oh its so great content ,,i agreed
100% with you
i am a user of only steemit ,,for every great work every user get a fair of reward ..its for a great quality based work..but some time its happended for not quality based unacceptable in all platform,,no doubt
please show it .. please cancel downvote sir @fingersik and see it sir @tarazkp