This post is the worst woe is me sob story I've read in a long time. Choosing witnesses isn't about which projects you want to support but who you want protecting your assets and keeping the blockchain secure. I never see you around during hard forks or critical events, nor do you have the technical experience to offer much if you were.
I actually think adding value to the community is an extremely valid reason to vote for a witness.
In addition security is a valid reason.
If a chain is successful but doesn't have security, that is clearly bad.
If a chain is secure but holds no value, that's a waste.
Yeah, I mean. When I look at successful projects they aren't made up of 100% of the same people. A blockchain project only filled with egghead engineers likely isn't gonna work. Similarly a blockchain project with only business people isn't gonna work. You need someone for the silica chips and the carbon based life forms.
Ideally you do it in a non-toxic environment. You don't shit on every influencer that swings by the say hello. You don't purposefully drive people away with flags and nasty comments.
We're at token 190... this project doesn't need another dev making minor tweaks to the blockchain. It needs an assload of apps dragging people in by the millions. We should be the most business friendly place around, but we're not...
Why so many of the top witnesses don't see that boggles my mind.
Excellent response. Not everyone on a winning hockey team is a goal scorer or can even shoot the puck well for that matter. You need people who can pass. People who can hit. The coaches. The waterboy even. It's teamwork from the locker room to the boardroom. And even when things get heated (it's not always pretty nor does it need to be), the common goal remains intact. My coach used to say, "Speak up, then shut up." Don't let a problem eat away at the mind because staying focused is crucial; don't dwell on it after the fact or turn it into a spectacle (a common challenge for most). I could keep going but the point is, if the team can't gel, you'll see a lot of empty seats in the stands. And this ain't no pond. There's money involved. This is the big leagues. Gotta pull your weight. No choice. Cool. Maybe I'll throw a vote your way now that I know where your mind is truly at. I don't expect people to be perfect. But you need to know this approach of yours where everyone kind of gets lumped into a pile and thrown under the bus doesn't create much of business friendly environment either.
I agree, when I look around Hive right now, I see some of the most engaged users, building communities and Tribes.
All the talk of 2nd layer solutions, so far I only know of one.
I don't discount that security is also important, and think it takes a mix.
That's not really what I said. My point is voting witnesses isn't about which projects you want to support. Witness rewards are not project funding.
I believe voting witnesses can be about what else they do, but the most important aspect of a witness is protecting the chain and if we vote in 20 people incapable of doing that we will be screwed.
Yeah but @whatsup has a point you made it sound like it had no value. So you communicated your message poorly.
I happen to think he switches from project to project before they can really work as well as hoped... i would love to see more focus on some of the really cool stuff he's done to get them to really powerful stage.
It has no value when it is the only reason for deciding.
I think voting a witness just to "fund a project" is a very bad idea.
5 years of various projects, none perfect, but several highly successful.
A concern for the community
Excellent project management and team building skills.
That's why I vote for him.
Don't get me wrong, I hear your point about security and understand it is important. In addition, a well rounded team with various expertise is also improtant.
Not really a team when he is never around for anything witness related. Not once.
It's actually an interesting discussion, but there are a few bare minimum requirements for sure.
"Witness Related"
Run a current witness with current version of code, keep the price feed and a few other settings current. Sign blocks.
Those are the critical "Witness Related Duties".
After that, I guess it's up to what stakeholders value.
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ask yourself WHY he doesn't talk in a place where YOU are very prevalent (and NGC used to be prevalent). Maybe he needs to suck it up... but sometimes the answer to your questions is right in the mirror.
I bet @aggroed reads those channels way more frequently than he writes.
Also he's busy actually DOING things... (or hyping things haha)
Again we can debate the efficacy of moving from one project to another before ever polishing them up... etc etc
On the same page... Good thing it's not the only reason. Case closed.
A few good security people on a well rounded team of people who care about the future of Hive is a must. Alone it isn't enough.
I submit my evidence that marky is upset at me for being too pretty.
You look like someone is wearing pork chops for ears. Not sure I would call that pretty. No way this garbage should be the top post on Hive.
lol'd..! Fuck sakes. XD
I mean, you guys can not like eachother, that is fine.. It's not my place to say you guys need to shake hands and kiss or anything.
But the name calling and abuse stuff is a bit out of character Marky, you're a guy who is generally looked towards to be the calm and collected type that rarely if ever goes full KLYE on folks and gets nasty.. I guess we are are all entitled to KLYE moments though. <3
That being said, I do do agree with this post being on top when it was a bit much, ideally if the higher-ups need to rally for votes they do it in a way that doesn't displace those posts that have either better content or something that isn't so internal affairs centric.
Anyways, please be nice, or don't, it matters none to me.. I just hate seeing the guys that are both effectively wanting the same thing doing a personal attacks for pork ears or whatever. lmao
(for the record not trying to defend ole Aggy Jones, just read through this, lol'd and was like "man, Marky you being naaaasty" and figured I'd make a comment on it)
Wow @klye is the voice of reason today 😂
You know the end times are coming when I start making sense.. amirite?
He said I downvoted him because he was too pretty, I was just clarifying that wasn't the case.
LOL. You're killing me Marky.
Yeah, reading back now with that in mind that is even funnier.
God you guys are hilariously dicks to eachother sometimes.
Probably an asshole myself for laughing, but ya'll crank off the odd zingers that make me giggle.
For the record Aggy is very pretty, Still waiting for a hivefest to take him home. XD
LOL wtf you smoking?
@xiko I'm not advocating a fork until it's entirely provable all is lost here and that the largest stakeholders are acting out of their own self interest rather than the interest ofhe network as a whole. The financial gains and loses of the large stakeholders seems to colour the way they operate, if financial gain or loss was removed from the situation I wonder if we would see less focus on propping up of an "old boys" club and a broader show of support for developers in the ecosystem.
I've had it out with the highest stake holders as a mere peasant, pointed out to the community the shit show that goes on and ultimately removed the vail of money knows best that prior was the standard thought process around here.
I do not for a minute believe in revolt without civilized talks and the issue being raised with adequate time to correct or modify the behavior in question. People are inherently slow in shifting beliefs most times and regardless of stake or financial situation that doesn't change mot times.
Things need to be changed around here, or here needs to be taken to another place. But regardless of our personal feelings on things it needs to be looked at objectively and decisions on how to approach this situation with the least amount of stress, drama and cost to the community need be analyzed.
This is a community that has already faced hardships together, we flourish and die by own own collective decision making. Just because a few stake laden individuals have a final say in what gets funded or who is successful here has little to no real world effect on how the community will carry on. Stake is used to control the network, not the users, and ultimately the users are the only real reason this network will ever hold or retain value. When it comes down to it, it's a hearts and minds excersize, not a matter of stake.