Thank you Craig!

in #abuse7 years ago (edited)

This is all voting power you can't use to promote your pump and dumps with @haejin while getting $20K/day.
Feel free to continue.

You upset your cult minions death threats, dox threats, and downvotes haven't swayed my course?

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When I saw flags and negative comments in @haejin posts I realy thought that he was atacked unfairly. I went deeper to find out why is that, there must be some reason to it. More I thought about it, more it didn’t make sense. So I checked @haejin’s if he rewarded his Steemers and I couldn’t find one. Now I completely understand why he is under attack. It’s actualy you guys who are the good guys. I hope that all his followers will get it push him to what is right.

They all attacking me because I showed how one person was giving him $20K/day and I look like an easy target.

I hope you guys will straighten this out.
I’m your follower and I realy respect what you do.

Thanks, I suspect they will continue to flag me, I knew @ranchorelaxo was going to step in because his cult followers were not scaring me away with their threats, harassment, and downvotes.

And I also believe that downvoting should go through third party. It’s a flaw.

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This is IMO an excellent idea. Then these commies wouldn't be able to play re-distributing overlords. I really wish this idea would get good attention.

That would be some really good data. My initial response to flagging wars was to make the flags be 1.5 to 2 times more expensive. You have probably read my article and it was based on the notion that flags are less required in the platform compared to upvotes.

Damn you got flagged. These people don't even read the comment they are flagging act all out righteous when they talk about the reward pool. STEEM was built a mess with the way they did initial token creation, inflation and the reasons they set up for flagging. I've always considered Dan to be a naive genius and things makes it seem that I was right. I also find myself agreeing more with Ned than Dan.

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I think that is the case. There are many simple solutions for steemit. But the circlejerk isn't willing to accept this. Just get the best out while it last. STEEM has become Bitcoin 4 years ago. Flagging should not be common or else we'd be having a zero-sum game. Also there are many people who are enjoying all these wars. Personally I stay out as much as possible.

steemit is run by idiots with idiots on top. Dash is doing things right. They have a vision beyond the price of the token. STEEM started with massive inflation levels. The system is unbalanced and infested with commies and tyrants.

Some class A idiot put disagreement on rewards as the 1st reason to flag and never adjusted the incentives to fit the system. I'm not selling my STEEM because of Ned and SMTs. But for the most part steemit is just another USSA.

Why can’t they change it than?
It’s flaw, are they waiting until there is a war?
It will be too late.

I believe that Steemit will figure out what’s right for All Steemers unless the government gets involved, but it’s a different story. Something gets too big and all of the sudden...

What is this all about?

An abuser who is upvoting someone $20K USD+ a day got called out, but instead of attacking a big fish, he goes after me because I'm an easier to target.

He has all his minions downvoting me around the clock.

Yikes... is it enough to dent your rep in quick amount of time? Or will they have to lose power for a long time? Flag wars suck... so petty and menial.

@themarkymark Hello friend, I have a problem, I transferred 2 SBD to the publication https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@djnial/help-as-our-currency-was-devalued but the robot never arrived

Responded to the other thread you posted it in.

Sorry for the ignorance but I'm trying to understand how these bots are working on this platform. What's the point on down voting someone else's post? Thought the intent of this platform was to help one another out? How does down voting one another help anyone out?

They basically are mad that I provided information showing their abuse of the reward pool. Instead of doing something about it, they are attacking me and taking away any rewards I get for my posts. Think of it when a 2-year-old gets a toy taken away, they kick, scream, and cry. The difference is, he has a big hammer to do damage to my rewards. He basically downvoted me about $1000, but that's $1000 his cult can't rape the reward pool with, so it's a good thing.

If that were the case, Haejin could just deny payouts and be done with the whole thing. Or publicly say he won't accept upvotes from rancho...and that would solve the whole thing, but Rancho is his proxy and the two of them are working together. This is evident on every post he's made in the last day or two.

I suspect that the extreme payouts being given in this case are nothing more than an orchestrated attempt to justify flagging attacks for the purpose of increasing the payout of the rich and infamous

There, fixed that for you. You really think the people who benefit minimally and indirectly have more to gain than the people who are actively making 100s of thousands with projections to make millions?

He said he is rich and doesn't care about rewards, he also said if @randowhale declined he would. I don't see that ever happening. Instead, he will take his $10-25K USD/day, and flag anyone who disagrees. No one will step in to stop him and the innocents will get punished.

I don't think i would deny the payout lol what about you ?

I might, if I was rich and my main concern was visibility, such as stated by @haejin. By denying payout, he would instantly stop pretty much all downvotes. The steemit community would have rallied around him had they continued. His image would have been far more improved vs the respect he has lost from many of his followers during this back and forth with many Steemians. It would have been a genius play.

I really like your other point as well. It would be interesting if we could find a reliably accurate means of measuring the percentage of the reward pool being downvoted every day and historically.

It's all in the blockchain.

The rules could be changed so the downvotes are burned not redistributed and measure the outcomes. If there is no change in behavior over time that would most likely prove that i was wrong.

That would create a situation with even greater power and benefit being given to those with higher stake. A downvote on anybody would mean a decrease in the supply of steem, increasing the value of their holdings. There are a lot less whales than there are of us.

@themarkymark hello boy, sorry yesterday I transferred 1 SBD to a publication that was missing 3 hours to beat and I did not get the vote of the robot, is there a way to reimburse 1 SBD?

Sorry, we are unable to do refunds on user errors.

Thief!

We are very clear about our refund policy, and why we have to do it that way.

By the way, don't you have something to do other than flag bystanders?

greetings leaving my vote up here, I hope in my blog thank you giphy.gif

Why did you start down-voting me?

because you been downvoting me stupid.

you started downvoting me first

Ahh, no. I only started downvoting you after you repeatedly downvoted me. I typically don't downvote people but after someone repeatedly downvotes me for no reason I might throw a few your way.

I just looked at the history on steemd. I upvoted and followed you then you started downvoting me out of no where. That is only when I downvoted you.

Looks like it may do everyone some good to post some history of what you're talking about because it looks like most of us comments are in the dark for the most part.

It’s pretty easy to see. It is all public. Just look at @haejin profile and tell me if you are ok with one person getting that many rewards daily from the pool we all share.

In response him, his cult, and his whale are all flagging me to silence me.

His rewards were twice that when he had more voting power before all the flagging.

Got yeah. I've seen Bernie Sanders talking about him, but didn't realize he was flagging you as well.

I spoke up and showed how much he made a day (~$20K USD). I am smaller and easy target Bernie is much bigger. @haejin sent all his trolls to send death threats, harass, and flag me. It's cool, I've got thick skin. If you say anything disagreeing with their rewards, he will sick them on ya.

Man that is insane. Thanks for the additional information. I'd love to be making 20k a day and don't think anyone on this platform as of yet should be making this kind of rewards.

Hey man, I'm sorry this is happening to you, it's hard to tell who has good interests in mind in this whole flagging war. I don't think many people know who is in the right here

It’s pretty easy to see. It is all public. Just look at @haejin profile and tell me if you are ok with one person getting that many rewards daily from the pool we all share.

In response him, his cult, and his whale are all flagging me to silence me.

His rewards were twice that when he had more voting power before all the flagging.

Saya suka

You guys are one of the sorriest cry babies I've ever witnessed.in fact I'm stupified...you are trying to smear this mans name because he has honorably provided something with merit and value to the community and has made his followers tons of money...this is a discrace..if you aren't happy with how the rewards are formatted, take this to the devs or founder instead of hurting this man...this is disgusting..this is not what i saw Steemit as...I'm truly hurt

I took all the downvotes without crying, I was downvoted $1K for no reason. It was @haejin and @ranchorelaxo who downvoted smaller than him with the expectation of no retaliation, but I wouldn't be so sure about that ;)

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I'd look at all the death threats, dox threats, harassment, and downvotes your cult did to me before opening your mouth. I never even downvoted him, I just posted 4 images showing how much he was making and your cult attacked me full force crying because I look like an easier Mark.

Sorry to hear that Mark, but remember, berniesanders started all of this...you know the crazy thing..if he would have wrote an article or letter to haejin and his followers saying , "hey guys, listen this is what is happening and we want to be fair, could you perhaps try and even out the rewards for us?", and he would have had 9000 loyal followers and upvoters to support him and others...keep in mind, most of the followers that I've had the pleasure of meeting are not evil and vindictive...we are very understanding and would like to see Steemit succeed, but when you threaten and bully someone, you're gonna get the horns..you should have known you would get caught up in some way or another by posting those..anyway, regardless , im sorry about the money that was lost..i really wish it was handled diffrently..maybe cool heads will prevail...cheers friend

Yeah, but that swings two ways. Haejin could have simply made a post explaining his position and opening the conversation. He never did that. He just acted in kind, which is his prerogative, but when you do that, you have consequences.

You guys don't seem to get it. You keep referring to all of us as if we are one unit. Like we're some kind of gang with Bernie as a leader. That we are not. We are individuals with our own opinions and ability to do research. If haejin had bothered to try to understand the reasons members in the community were upset and offered to do just about anything to address it, he probably would have came out of this so much better. Instead, he absolutely stooped down to Bernie's level. In the early parts of my involvement in this debate, I watched a bunch of haejin's videos and gained a little bit of respect for him. I was hoping he would be able to understand and have some insight into the right thing to do. I lost all that respect when he started in on his elementary school antics. This is supposed to a wealthy and well respected professional and bernie has him on steemit acting like a fool. SMH

I should have known posting four images showing one person getting a huge portion of the reward pool would result in death threats, doxing threats, hundreds of downvotes, and hundred or more slanderous and harassing comments?

Yeah that was totally expected. I didn’t threatened or bully anyone. I posted four images and you guys decided to go ape shit on me. I never even flagged which is the proper response not writing a love letter.

That is how the platform works. If you disagree with rewards you downvote. That’s what happened and you guys ran around flagging and threatening like lunatics.

So don’t give me that bullshit.

Whoa...i didn't flag anyone accept bernie after i had enough...so like i said...out of thousands of followers there is always a few that get out of hand...but the thing that makes my head hurt is that haejin provides usefull and lucarative content..he gets followers for his content and upvotes..he is doing exactly what the site was designed for and he gets shit all over..that's the travisty here...this is one of the dumbest atemtps to shut someone down that I've seen..and on Steemit for that matter..i thought the journalists, entrepenuers , and bloggers were different and want a place that is uncensored and has a foundation built around like minded people that treat each other with respect....instead i see a bunch of babies creating bots and other channels to circumvent someones existence who is only doing what this site was supposedly designed to do....regardless mark, im sorry to hear about the threats...i'd be pissed to..you can disagree , but if someone threatens my life it's fair game...hope this gets resolved somehow, but I don't know if i will ever look at this place the same...for what it's worth, Happy New Year

I request you steemit friends please upvote me,
So that I can help poor people