4chan /pol is busy right now digging up details on the situation; however. 4chan is hard to navigate, and there are definitely infowar ops active on the threads (probably, need to do a post on forum trolls, although there is a good guide floating around the net on that from way back in the 90s).
The FBI is claiming that this has nothing to do with terrorism, but we have heard that song from them before. Right now, I don't have any theories.
What I propose is that we do is an OSINT session of our own
- Keep in mind the 24 hour rule - responses within 24 hours of highly charged situations tend to be emotionally based
- Let's verify facts before putting together theories, then compare those theories
- Let's ask specific questions
- I'll repeat this; let's get the facts, THEN build theory
- Archive anything that may be memory holed (http://archive.is/), and share here as a SOURCE
- Best to work down a single answer at a time, but to keep records or bookmarks of relevant issues
Some questions to answer:
- Where did Paddock get multiple automatic weapons?
- Who is Marilou Danley?
- Who is Geary Danley?
- Can the following be verified by about Paddock (source /pol):
-Owned 2 airplanes
-Had a pilot's license
-Hunting license in Alaska
-Brother named Eric, who said he was "just some guy" and couldn't imagine why he'd do it
-Fucking Marilou Danley
-He called his mother before he did it, didn't tell her he was going to do this.
-Lived in Florida and Nevada
-Lived in a retirement community on a golf course
-64 Years Old
-Had no known credible social media accounts - Can the story that a woman threatened concert goers before the concert be verified? source
- Was Paddock shot by police, or did he shoot himself?
Please label your comment as SOURCE, THEORY, or QUESTION before the rest;
Example: THEORY - this is a false flag designed to push gun control
OR
QUESTION - can this be verified? ISIS claims he converted to Islam months ago to carry out this mission http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/islamic-state-claims-las-vegas-mass-shooting-50231344
Feel free to post links to your own blogposts here as well, but label the main point of your post in the comment, please!
Shooting distance
Current references
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/143676896#q143676896
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/143703152#p143703569
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/143718613#q143718613
@dwinblood https://steemit.com/news/@dwinblood/the-las-vegas-shooting-what-kind-of-information-is-coming-out
https://www.bustle.com/p/these-las-vegas-hoaxes-being-shared-online-arent-real-heres-what-to-watch-out-for-2743341
https://heavy.com/news/2017/10/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-route-91-mandalay-bay-shooting-shooter-gunman-suspect-photos-motive/comment-page-2/
Subthreads
Conversion of semi-automatic weapons to full automatic
Upcoming Gun Control Legislation
Vegas rents these. Probably not overnight. Haven't watched the videos, but some have said it sounded like AKs. "Roommate" Marilou Danley has traveled to the Mid-East (Dubai) and with Vegas as a location, could easily be a travel agent of some sort, which would give her access to smuggle weapons in.
It seems all places confirmed for where he lived were after 2010. He had a Twitter account opened in 2010, which followed several Chicago based Twitter accounts (sports, news, etc). If it was his account, what was the fascination with Chicago, if he didn't live there.
Look at this video and tell me it doesn't sound like shots are coming from 2 guns. Or is it an echo?
Or this.
~~~ embed:914737490786783232 twitter metadata:Q29sbGluUnVnZ3x8aHR0cHM6Ly90d2l0dGVyLmNvbS9Db2xsaW5SdWdnL3N0YXR1cy85MTQ3Mzc0OTA3ODY3ODMyMzJ8 ~~~
I would go with echo.
Mandalay Bay isn't straight across, it has a curve and would easily cause that noise.
someone claimed countersniper ops experience, and that his opinion was single shooter based on watching the vids
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/143703152#p143703569
idk
Idk man, to me it sounds like at least 2 guns were firing at the same time. Who knows.
Good comment on pol:
It wouldn't be hard to get that many casualties when firing directly into an unprotected crowd that big. He fired a lot of shots.
When I first heard it I was thinking either the supersonic bullet sound issue as described below or also sounds reflecting off of nearby buildings.
I also tend to agree with those who think it was a belt-fed mg, going by the sound.
At first, I thought it was either a B.A.R. or a belt fed M-1919 machinegun because of the slow cyclic rate of automatic fire. But, when I found out that at least several of his rifles had bumpfire stocks, that explains the slower cyclic rate of fire. It takes longer between shots with a bumpfire stock because of the way it works.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/las-vegas-suspect-likely-used-automatic-rifle-in-massacre-1506966716?mg=prod/accounts-wsj
ATF will have the answers in a few days.
Getting weirder...
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooter/index.html?sr=twCNN100317las-vegas-shooter1029AMVODtop
According to news and pictures that I saw on Zero Hedge, several of the rifles had "Bumpfire" stocks. You can effectively shoot a semi auto rifle as a full auto with a bumpfire stock with a bit of practice. That would explain the slower cyclic rate of automatic fire heard in the video.
Apparently there was at least 1 fully automatic rifle in the room. As he was a rich dude with no criminal record, he could have legally bought a full auto weapon from a class 3 dealer.
There was also a rather gruesome picture of him laying on the floor with blood pooling around the back of his head. From the picture, it looked like he put the barrel of his revolver, also in the picture, into his mouth and pulled the trigger.
Here's the link to the story on Zero Hedge. In the pictures of the guns, you can clearly see the bumpfire stocks on a couple of the rifles. There's also the picture of him on the floor.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-03/vegas-shooter-filmed-himself-during-slaughter-suicide-photo-emerges
Three pieces of good data right there; would you source them, please?
That is one of the main goals of the post, to be able to source facts. That way they can be verified or discredited, and we can move ever closer to the Truth!
Stephen Paddock Twitter Account ~ https://twitter.com/THEPADS/
While it is up.
Following
Other focus is St. Louis Cardinals.
No tweets. But, two images on the account to recognize him.
his Twitter has been archived here
http://archive.is/baRHH
his Following Twitter here:
http://archive.is/EIWVX
barb wire tat around upper right arm...prior service?
And the Superman logo on the other side?
Probably just hanging out with the wrong crowd. Barbwire tattoo seems like a trend from the 90s or later, not something to get while serving.
Marilou Danley - last image is from Dubai. Since she was an Australian citizen, Dubai isn't out of the ordinary.
~ http://heavy.com/news/2017/10/marilou-danley-photos-marylou-danly-mary-lou-stephen-paddock-wife-girlfriend-facebook-las-vegas-shooting/
not bad looking for her 60s
The last picture is more telling.
I'm not ruling her out. Did you see the video of the girl who said some old lady came up to her and said "You all are going to die tonight." The girl said she was Hispanic, I think ol' Marilou could be mistaken for Hispanic.
yes, listed as one of the QUESTIONS to verify
and agreed she could be mistaken for a latina
Just a quick search on fully automatic weapons in Vegas
my unverified opinion is that theses are on site rentals.
I need to dig down and get the source social media accounts of the people involved
My unverified knowledge remembers that you can rent them and take them out to a desert range. But, if he wanted to practice before hand, the on-site rentals are probably very discreet.
But, I agree, that he probably could not have rented them overnight. But, in Vegas, I'm sure with the right amount of cash, you could probably get something.
So, it is going to be hard to pinpoint him to an address. He's almost a ghost.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stephen-paddock-father-las-vegas-shooting-fbi-most-wanted-list-robber-family-a7979521.html
His brother says that they didn't know their father very well.
However, if Stephen had lived almost 30 different places in 60 years, it would seem he understood the fugitive life very well.
Ryan Williams
@dreem2reality
https://twitter.com/dreem2reality
Founder of Dreem2Reality Entertainment & the D2R Podcast Network. Conspiracy FACTist. Podcaster. Writer. Station Chief. The official Area Man.
The one person he follows and follows back is a False Flag conspiracy creator.
Yes....you read that. The Conspiracy guy is "located" in Rockford, IL.
Reshared @phibetaiota
This is a very Catalyzing event. Everyone must be on alert and establish evidence based intelligence. This type of event was predicted. Now we must be vigilant about the TRUE cause.
Thanks for reSteem!
This is the kind of event that your account was made to dig into!
Exactly. Let's go get some answers!
You will find here proof that there was a shooter on the 4th Floor of the hotel - plus evidence of other shooters - there's also the interview with Stephen's brother: https://steemit.com/tag/@ura-soul/las-vegas-shooting-proof-the-official-version-is-wrong-shots-from-4th-floor-and-witnesses-to-other-shooters-jfk-assassination
I just found this video, an article came online the day BEFORE the shooting took place:
Question.....MK Ultra?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra
FWIW, I don't think it's the case here
I keep seeing this.
Was the shooter deliberately aiming at the security on the ground for the concert?
that's a good question; was he on auto fire? did security run into the line of fire?
At that angle, I would think the crowd as a mass would be an easier target. It wouldn't make sense to hit the security, unless they were lined up and just took the first shots due to the distance. And then he would have adjusted.
Vacation is over... There is Dickery afoot!
The Storm has arrived...
maybe this IS a case of somebody just going batshit...but if so, we need some answers.
Unverified at this point, but Marilou's ex Geary is supposedly a BernieBro; BernieBros were behind the Scalise shooting and a second which never really made the news.
If that is the case he probably has a history of psychotropic drug use, anti depressants, SSRI.
Bill Cooper stated in his book "Behold a pale horse" that the CIA had a operation named Orion. The goal of the program was to cause mass casualty shootings to change how the public thought about firearms to eventually remove the second amendment.
He said they used Prozac and electromagnetic frequencies to trigger someone to want to cause mayhem. Since then other drugs have been invented and used.
this would be an angle to look at; while he has no arrest record, maybe some might dig up medical records and see if there is any linkage
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Midnight_Climax
Great points. I've been a fan of Cooper's since the 90's.
Currently I read this site for some of my updates...
http://phibetaiota.net/2017/10/robert-steele-las-vegas-false-flag-treason-most-foul-sheldon-adelson-michael-chertoff-central-to-largest-griftopia-zionist-two-party-tyranny-scam/
A globalist effort to distruct from Catalonia violence and their 90% victory vote for independence from spanish and eu dictatorship.
Suspect of course supposedly dead. Not known to 'authorities' before.
10 weapons into a hotel and he lived there for almost a week, no staff took notice of 10 rifles...
Organized, mind controlled, planned - lone wolf make belief with additional benefit: Disarmament of the American people - as 'suspect' had no priors and weapons have been obtained legally.
My two cents.
The "false flag" theory to push for gun control is common over at /pol
How they are going to disarm the people, who are represented as the victims of this shooting, mystifies me. This shooting is another example of WHY we need all methods of self-defense available
Globalist logic is up side down. Fear is used and has been successfully utilized disarming Australia, and most of Europe. Brainwashed CNN watchers and Obama money will push the narrative - and sold out politicians push the unconstitutional legislation that's to come.
Did not look at 4Chan... Too many opinions.
analysis paralysis and information overload are terms used to describe that; it's why I suggested that each person find a question and answer one question before trying to go farther
The fact that the suspect has been in the hotel for a week, supposedly smuggled the weapons in himself - female companion out of the country and not a suspect - suggests mind controlled action to me.
I am thinking "patsy" myself, but we have to get data first
64 year old book keeper with a couple of hunting licenses - hand gun 4x owner, kept in safe, and a settled suit for a slip and fall against a casino. No priors.
Also, plenty of off-duty military present in crowd?
MSM narrative now moving to pre-crime detection.
The father of Stephen Paddock was a psychopath according to the FBI and one or two brothers were likely involved as well. Likely paid to do it and premeditated blaming Stephen ( killing him ) to stop a trail and settle a family dispute. Whoever paid the shooters was/were cheered afterwards by seemingly random tweets of no sympathy for gun toting Repugs who like country music and/or are trumptards.
Source : I looked around on twitter and used my spidy senses which have been on high alert today. Apologies for the laziness. I am emotionally drained.
There is also a snapshot floating around twitter showing articles written about the shooter dated the last few days of September which makes the media ever more suspicious as well.
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Contradictory actions
Soo, the police are concerned with their own safety but not civilians?
Dude thinks it's more important to be on his phone during and active shooter event?
Dude with the hat, yo wat up guys?
What "staff" is the dude with the walkie on his hip and talking on the phone while walking away from the police car a part of? (His shirt says __________ STAFF)
Does dude on the ground have a rifle? He's not police.
Source of pic http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1640254/las-vegas-shooting-what-we-know-so-far.jp g (shows large pic)
This taxi drivers video seems to indicate two guns from the distance of the sounds, and muzzle flashes on a much lower floor.
She also picked up people who someone had a broken leg when they got in but not when they got out. Miraculous taxi ride! And they weren't particularly happy she was videoing.
full view of earlier vid;
I can understand why they would claim a broken leg, AND why they would be afraid of video...people panic
hell, they wanted the cabbie to drive through the cab
Agreed on the panic.
Interesting comments on the video on YouTube. A lot talking about how the shots sounded like a belt fed light machine gun. But that's just speculation, not facts we can find like you're asking for.
could also be a drum magazine
some of the bursts sounded longer than a mag would; you's need to slow down audio and count the shots
One thing I always do when an event like this happens is listen to the scanner recording from the ham radio people:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o46joQ6pbIY
I didn't take notes but heard various officers call out multiple shooter locations from time to time.
From memory Floor 29, Floor 32, Gate 17, for most of the time it sounded like they (LVPD) had absolutely no idea what was going on...
There's also. Of time where various groups of officers were ready to go on various floors but seem to have never been given the go-ahead maybe there was an alternate SWAT comms going on that's not public.
Also while I was listening heard one mention of warning for officers to look out for booby traps.
Note that the link provided is not the audio that I listen to which was on my computer, is just the best I could find right now while on my phone.
good source
fog of war
hmmm, note for later:
what is average time to respond for FBI HRT team for each city; follow up - * Was it an FBI HRT team?*
Oh yeah there is definitely some fog of war, it was fascinating to listen to them attempt to gain control of the situation.
The thing I hate is when police departments or governments will give the public the false impression that they are in any way capable of protecting them in chaotic situations like this (security theater) and it could not be further from the truth the more serious the situation the more incapable they seem to be.
Which is fine I'm not saying I could do a better job, just that they should not give people a false sense of security.
Then you have the gun control morons that think that's the solution to everything, what a joke.
as organized agents, States can provide better responses in some situations; provided they havn't been subverted or corrupted...a big assumption
you're looking for
however, organizations other than states can structure themselves for the same goals
gonna be true for any human institution; this is lessened by experience...Las Vegas, Orlando etc will have better respones next time, but we hope there is no next time
Agreed.
I did an abbreviated post on InformationWar and the Fog of War at one point; I probably should dig that up, and make it a full post.
In looking thru the last election for clark county I did not find his name listed.
/pol had a pic up showing that Paddock was registered in FLA as a Democrat. Have not verified that myself
I only looked at clark county NV
This video by Truth Stream Media gives an interesting overview of why this incident would be a false flag and who benefits
Already hearing "not real gun shots" as pointed out by this steemian https://steemit.com/las/@vl1/las-vegas-shooting-caught-on-raw-video-they-re-not-real-shots (not my link)
Manually curated by @openparadigm for
@informationwar
What I am not seeing is any bodies/blood/family members going to the media. No pictures spanning the web, no videos.
I definately heard in the films i saw two distinct automatic weapons firing simulatenously, so how can it be possible just one shooter ? great you put this out there @stevescoins ! upvoted
there is possibly some echoing coming off the walls of the building itself; there is a bend in the building that could account for an echo
Well yes could have been that I suppose ! But why would a 60 year old suddenly convert to Islam then go out and bury so many people like that? Seems pretty pushed for a new adept to find himslef to do such a murderous act on his first "outing " !
I don't think he was a Muslim convert; that seems to have been the result of an Israeli newspaper that got suckered by the Sam Hyde did it meme that's gone around after several of these mass murder/terror attacks (see the Bustle link in the references above)
Now ISIS is claiming that he was a convert from months ago
False flag rumor: life is beautiful event is where they drilled for this 3 weeks ago....I have not confirmed this!
Life is Beautiful Festival 2017 - Facebook https://www.facebook.com/events/30802... The Life is Beautiful Music & Art Festival will return to the streets of Downtown Las Vegas Sept. 22-24 Festival. 425 Fremont St, Las Vegas, Nevada 89101 ... Missing: shooting training 3weeks ago
http://lineup.lifeisbeautiful.com/
this? hmmm
https://www.facebook.com/events/308023262908078/
The Rumor: I am seeing is this is a False flag and was trained for at a life is beautiful location 3 weeks ago.
an interesting video:
How about from a taxi driver? Sure does not look like an upper floor!
https://www.facebook.com/cori.langdon/videos/10212157422804893/?permPage=1
Language alert!
Well, if this is valid. Dude was an Anti-Trump vagina wearing douche!
Source ~ https://streamable.com/adjlq
target crowd was country; predominately white
stereotypical trump supporters
wher'd the pic come from?
Note the "13" on his neck. This is odd. But, could have been something temporary.
Just got confirmation from the NV Sheriff that shooter had 2nd house in Reno.
tv, or is there a link?
I'd like to have it all sourced when I start putting things together
It was on the press conference last night.
The FBI was basically mum on everything else.
This article mentions that starting in 2012, he spent a lot of time in Reno, where he met his girlfriend.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/us/paddock-profile-house-cash-fence-invs/index.html
Video from rally in Reno protesting Trump
Also, unconfirmed from that video possibly shows Marilou Danley there as well.
He was a triple agent; working for ISIS, antifa, and MS-13
A lot of conflicting info going on
So you made a post about it too. I really wonder how Trump will react to this.
He will probably note it as a tragedy, ask people to come together, but not worry about any policy based upon it
Yeah, trump is pretty rational
Resteemed. This is complimentary to my post which you also resteemed.
trying to put all thesse theories and allegations can be like herding cats
Cats are easier ;-)
The media is trying to make this somehow about Islamic extremism but this is a white guy that shot a bunch of people in the street. This is part of the divisive wedge that is being driven between us all for the last 24 months. I wish for strength for the families of the deceased.
Just got harder to verify
looks very similar
I should correct this and say it isn't the girl who talked about the crazy lady, but this is another woman.
They are trying to do that "crisis actor" thing with this.
I don't really know what to think about this statement. So, according to her, there are at least 2 more people that knew what was going to happen besides the shooter. Accomplices? Is this statement taken seriously by the authorities investigating the case? If the statement is true then those 2 people are very important to understand what happened.
Could have just been some crazy lady.
Hopefully the security some how managed to take a video or photo of the person.
SOURCE: LVMPD BOLO for Marilou
Archived
http://archive.is/EhIj9
SOURCE
Marilou's Facebook screenshots
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/143664979/facebook-of-marilou-danley#p143664979
nothing of interest, although he Facebook account has already been deleted!
I have found one of her Facebook friends so far; no political or religious statements, so I will not list the frien'ds account
Still working the marilou angle on my end
Her ex, Geary Danley
No.143766832▶>>143767637 >>143768066
File: 1506934855341.jpg (1.03 MB, 1242x1444)
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/143676896#q143676896
SOURCE - Paddock as pink shirt protestor of Trump
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/143749828#q143749828
Looks like that connection is a fake. Just has a NASA shirt for other reasons.