Your flu vaccine was properly tested. I'm not sure you even know what vaccine testing entails.
There are a very small group of people who have an allergic or sensitivity reaction to a vaccine. That's a risk, but the vaccine does not imbue you with a lifetime if insane health issues like the ones you describe. A much bigger risk, say the risk of death by horrible disease, and infecting others with it, is what you take on when you refuse vaccines.
Blaming your slew of allergies and health issues on vaccines is a bit odd. And frankly, telling people not to get vaccinated is irresponsible.
How would it make you feel if you knew that some elderly immunocompromised person read this, and thought the flu vaccine would give them 100 allergies (it won't), then refused to get it and died from the flu.
People die from the flu. Do you realize that. Thousands of people die from the flu every year.
The flu didn't kill you though. You got vaccinated.
You have picked the worst vaccine of all to defend, because the Flu Vaccine is the least tested of ALL the vaccines. Each and every year, it is an Experimental Vaccine, as there is simply no time to test it for safety and efficacy.
Please take a few minutes to listen to this Scientist interviewed on the video below. He is not anti-vaccine and in fact he helped develop the DPT vaccine -- but he thinks that the Flu Shot should be STOPPED as it is incredibly risky.
p.s. I see that you are new here, but you should probably use your flag with much more caution. It is not meant to be used for simple disagreements. You may find yourself being flagged in return by someone with a lot more steem power than you have, and this could quickly destroy your account here by bringing your reputation below zero, which would grey out all of your posts.
It’s not a simple disagreement. The post is overvalued, in part because it is wild speculation masquerading as sound medical advice.
I’m glad you can find a scientist on YouTube to agree with you.
Personally, I have much more faith in the vast consensus of the medical community, the massive drop in flu deaths since the widespread use of seasonal flu vaccines and my own nursing school curriculum.
You flagged several comments that were only worth a few cents. Were those overvalued too? I took the time to try to help you, since you are new and may not know how things work here. You flagged my comnent too. Your comment to the author comes off as rude, but most people on Steemit will not flag a rude comment. However, many WILL flag a rude comment if you have also flagged their comments or posts.
If I were to have taken offense at you, my single downvote is powerful enough to bring your reputation down to zero or less.
This is one reason that most people play nice on Steemit. If you have no interest in playing nice, than that is your choice and I am not telling you what you have to do -- just warning you of the likely consequences of your actions. It is totally your choice.
So -- if you want to have a real dialogue, than let's dialogue.
But I will not continue to dialogue with someone who continues to abuse flags.
Ok ... back to the original conversation. I see that you are a nurse in training.
The woman who wrote this post has been a nurse for many, many years, and is a friend of mine. She is VERY educated on this topic.
She’s not putting that education to very good use if she considers peddling junk science and conspiracy theories a good idea.
The fact that she was a nurse practitioner means people will treat the idea that you shouldn’t get vaccinated with an authority it doesn’t deserve.
Personally, I don’t feel I’ve a abused flagging here. You are perfectly free to see it differently.
Telling me in ominous tones that you can retaliate to my posts by flagging me and bringing down my reputation isn’t a good way to convince anyone not to flag material they find untrue, damaging to public health, and not worth one red cent.
I do not threaten to flag people for stating opinions that I disagree with. YOU are the one who used the flag. When you do that first, other people will flag you back -- but I have not -- because I like to have discussion and not flag wars when possible.
I simply warned you what a flag war would look like. But you do not appreciate my help, so I will end this discussion with you.
I’m sorry you feel that way. The anti-vax community is tight-knit and vocal. I’m sure your posts will still get votes.
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I’m sorry you feel that way. The anti-vax community is tight-knit and vocal. I’m sure your posts will still get votes.
Other than my comment to you about flags I had decided to refrain from getting involved in this. However. I am not from the "anti-vax community", I may think that vaccinations can be very dangerous, but I abhor labels. And I don't run a political blog, very rarely do I post my viewpoints as I am primarily here as a writer of fiction, and secondarily photography and some blogging.
The reason I am responding to this is to make you aware that this is a very poor way to begin on this platform. I have an extremely close friend here who is actually pro-vaccination, but he would still A: Flag you for improper use of your own flag, and B: tell you that as a social media platform and more importantly one that is largely dictated by reputation, it would be wise and prudent for you to spend some time here before commenting anything that could potentially create enemies.
We are a global and diverse community and many of us are friends despite disagreeing on some 'political' points of view, meaning that you could inadvertently find yourself alienated by far more than just what you refer to as the 'anti-vax community'. Simply for being rude to people that are cared about by many others.
I sincerely hope you heed my words.
Those threats are pretty bad form I have to say, saying you can make his rep zero. This guy is flagging because of disagreement but you are saying you will make it personal.
@americaurusrex there isn't a consensus here on "playing nice" etc. etc.
I never said that I would flag him, and I haven't.
I was explaining a possible scenario if someone like me had actually taken offense. I don't offend that easily.
I think that the only time that I flagged somebody that offended me was when noganoo wrote a post with my name in the title, and his #1 tag was "Satanists."
... so unless you write a post calling me out as a Satanist, you probably won't receive a flag from me ... lol ...
I do not easily throw flags around. It is this poster who throws his flags around. I disagreed with his original comment too -- but I did not flag it -- because I don't think that flagging for disagreement is acceptable.
If I had the same way of thinking as he does, I would have gone ahead and flagged it though.
That's the great thing about using an implication, you can always say you didn't say it directly and it was hypothetical. But the intent is clear to any reader.
You have your flag standards and he has his. Really it's a mountain out of mole hill, did you check his account? He has barely 28 SP. So it's really just about manners.
I think you guys all made your points anyhow.
Do you know why this statement is false? I mean the whole "intent is clear to any reader"...because you wouldn't feel comfortable saying this to her if you thought it was true. You want to argue that? What if Bernie was an anti vaxxer? You know damn well he would have no problem flagging this guy, and then potentially flagging you for this comment. The message this sends to @canadian-coconut is that she should be more like him, then she would deal with less resistance, at least from those whose accounts she could nuke, because people would be afraid.
Either way I don't agree that it's 'clear that she's threatening anyone', considering how much time she took to explain her position to this guy. It's quite obvious that she is not into using her flags to make a point. Of course, as you say, it would be within her right to do that....which is why I find your entire argument with all of us here confusing. You want to make sure this new guy knows he can go ahead and flag whomever he wants, I was hoping to warn him off doing that before he does actually get his account tanked to zero. You also want to tell us that we shouldn't be saying what we're saying, seriously I am just confused by you. What is it that you believe exactly? Or are you just playing devil's advocate here?
Obviously he can flag to disagree, no one is standing behind him that's going to twist his arm back when he goes to click it. If your argument is that we don't have a right to feel that someone shouldn't, we can agree to disagree on that point. I've actually agreed with a lot of the flags bernie has given out in his time here, but I happen to disagree with them being used to express an opinion. I would feel that way even if I shared his opinion on whatever subject it was. That's my personal feelings. You're entitled to yours.
I don't know if it's my computer or steemit itself, but I don't get taken directly to people's comments anymore, I get taken to the beginning of the article and have to scroll through until I find the comment. Which is super annoying and the reason I'm not going to go to all of the comments you left me and why I chose to respond to this one.
edit: I also should add that she would not have even made that statement if he was just expressing himself throughout without flagging.
I was trying to help him. It is obvious that he wasn't a threat to me, but I thought that he was a threat to himself and his brand-new Steemit account.
But you are right that it was not worth it to point it out to him. I wasted too much of my own time. I somehow have to better diagnose when people might actually appreciate my help. So many people can not accept constructive and helpful criticism.
Believe it or not, I even want to help people here on Steemit who do not agree with me on my favorite topics. I hate to see any account destroyed because of ignorance of the landscape here at Steemit. Steemit is not like Facebook, but new people don't always realize that.
Commom many big accounts use the flag to remind people to play nice and many big accounts go around flagging post they disagree with.... that’s the Steemit reality
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[steemit](https://steemit.com)Unlike short links this allows the reader to see where they are going by simply hovering over the link before they click on it.what the heck is PROPERLY tested? The US supreme court has deemed vaccines "unavoidably dangerous". No other consumer product has it's OWN COURT to handle lawsuits relating to injury because they do not need special protection the way vaccines do. Ask your bloody doctor which vaccines he gives HIS KIDS the most common answer is NONE. My twin grandsons were both injured by early (before 2 yrs) vaccinations pushed by the local clinic. They both need special upbringing because of the horseshit these uncritical medical sycophants squirted into their bodies. There is a special place in hell for nitwits like yourself and all the business oriented medical practitioners who do this for a profit.
I am so very sorry about what happened to your grandchildren. We need to keep speaking out so this unsafe practice stops. It was not easy for me to put these photos of what happens to my face on the internet but I felt hiding serves no purpose.
Please disregard the advice here. We really shouldn't be speaking out against a practice that keeps people safe, like vaccines.
I'm sorry your allergies make you swell. The flue shot didn't give them to you.
@americurusrexL, stop gaslighting us, it makes all the mandatory allopathic medicine pushers look insane and psychopathic.
You know, most people on here are pretty tired of me by now. They mostly disagree with what I've said. Some even find me rude.
But I haven't called anyone any names, like nitwit, or told anyone they have devious, malicious intentions, and I certainly haven't wished anyone to a special place in hell.
My primary doctor had her kids vaccinated. My child's pediatrician had her kids vaccinated. They are both exemplary physicians, and they are not uncritical medical sycophants. Like most doctors in the world, they vaccinate their kids so that they do not die of easily preventable communicable diseases.
You can have an allergic reaction to a vaccine. The standards of informed consent demand that people know this. The allergic reaction you can have does not cause the myriad of health issues that you wish to blame on vaccines.
The evidence simply doesn't back up these claims. We can get things wrong in medicine. I get that. A whole generation of people were not breast fed, for example, because we erroneously thought the ability to fortify formula made it superior to breast milk. When the evidence started to show the benefits to a baby's immune system outweighed the benefit of formula, standards changed again.
The preponderance of medical evidence doesn't back up these anti-vax claims. It just doesn't. I'm sorry that your grandsons are experiencing some kind of health issue. But maybe, just maybe, the reason no doctor is gonna back you up and blame their vaccines isn't because they are all "nitwits" who deserve a "special place in hell". Maybe it's because the vaccine simply isn't why that happened to them.
Believe it or not, most of us in healthcare really aren't out to get you.
"Believe it or not, most of us in healthcare really aren't out to get you."
NO most health care professionals fall into the category of ' uncritical medical sycophants' only a few would fall into the total nitwit category. Nevertheless, they are bossed over by ivy league business grads, who actually set the pace of medical attention. You are aware that The CDC is a private company, aren't you? What do you think their yearly take from widespread vaccinations is? If it is not in the billions I will lick a belt sander.
I’m sorry you have such a poor opinion of the thousands of healthcare workers, be they nurses, doctors, techs, researchers, who work extraordinarily hard to keep you safe and healthy, often for less money than they deserve.
I’m not an apologist for big pharma. You can have all the criticisms of the business end of the healthcare industry you want.
Doesn’t change the fact that these vaccines work, and are essential in the prevention of devastating disease. Being mad at the CDC (an organization that the author of the post finds reputable enough to cite, btw) isn’t going to prevent anyone’s kids from getting polio.
Healthcare workers may or may not care, they are human but they are working in a system that has the largest kill rate of all of our institutions.
I’m not sure what your point is?
Which institutions, other than healthcare, deal with procedures on the body than involve such a degree of risk?
Patients have to consent to what’s done to them, and when they do they are told that there are risks involved, risks of something going wrong, even sometimes risk of death.
Luckily vaccines are not at that level of risk, and in fact are our best defense against very lethal diseases.
Humans make errors in healthcare sometimes, but humans are the only doctors and nurses we’ve got, you know?
Anyway, I’m not going to tell someone they shouldn’t go to the ER when their femur breaks just because doctors mess up sometimes.
My point is the statistics....broken bones are different from immune systems.
The Bosses of all you well informed and well meaning medical professionals have a business model wherein my twin grandsons are an acceptable cost of doing business.
I’m not sure that keeping my own child from getting vaccines, and having him end up with polio or smallpox is an acceptable cost of soothing your anger.
I don’t know what happened to your grandsons. It sounds serious and I’m sorry for the anguish it causes you.
Deciding for yourself that vaccines are to blame, and then brushing off every doctor that tells you there’s no credible evidence of that just doesn’t seem to me like the right way to deal with it.
Honestly, y’all are acting like no one would get sick or injured if they just didn’t get vaccinated.
People can’t get a vaccine for every disease, and they can’t get inoculated against broken bones, or renal failure, or a stroke.
We don’t need to make kids sick to stay in a job.
Try refusing to do something you know is wrong on your job and tell me how that works out for you.
While I may disagree with your flag on this post, flagging for disagreement on rewards is a proper use of the flag. Flagging people because you simply disagree with them however, is not. It's abuse. I will give you an opportunity to remove your flags from the comments, but if I return and you have not I will have to flag you for abuse.
It's not abuse @dreemit, you're entitled to flag without explanation. Abusive flagging is more like following someone around and flagging everything they do, or using your massive stake (which this guy doesn't have) to repeatedly remove pending rewards from posts.
@americaurusrex has like 28 SP, hardly making a dent 😂
For a second I had no idea what you were talking about.
Eh. He rubbed me the wrong way, honestly the past couple of days have really burnt me out, I can barely stand to read and watch what's going on. You'll see I haven't said a word through any of it today. But consider that what you're saying is true, I also have a right to my opinion don't I? And I could also flag him with the same logic, simply because I don't agree with anything he's saying.
But I don't have it in me to argue with you, truly.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled for me to agree with it.
THe logic has become incredibly confused in my opinion. It's okay for bernie to flag tiny accounts because he disagrees with them, but not okay for canadian-coconut? Although she did not actually threaten him, she was just explaining what could happen, if she were the type to do that. Do you really believe flags should be used because you disagree with someone? Because I think that it would become a huge mess on here in a hurry if people did that.
The logic is plain and simple. Flag how you please. Please may disagree but on you go.
I was commenting to provide a counter opinion on @canadian-coconut 's and your implication that there's a way things are done around here. I also wanted to call her up on a threat. But just because I haven't commented on @berniesander 's posts to admonish him doesn't mean I think it's okay for him to carry on as he does.
I think flags should be used however you want. And there's no way for someone else to stop you except to try to persuade you to change your mind by opening a dialogue (which in my experience is how things mostly shake out) or by flagging them into reconsidering.
And it already is a huge mess, but then so is every social network with any amount of freedom.
I don't presume that you support anything I've written here, but I'd like to thank you for articulating this point better than I could.
I'm simply providing the other point of view from someone who can't be dismissed as a noob 🙃
I think I’ve made clear several times that I feel what I have flagged is overvalued. The comments I have flagged, too, carry a message I don’t think warrants rewards.
Ironically, I have been told kind of implicitly that my flag will result in retaliation. You are free to flag for abuse if that’s what you think is happening.
Personally, I find a single flag, on one account’s post and a couple comments doesn’t quite rise to the level of abuse you describe.