"Integrity is doing the right thing most of the time, it's something that no one can take from you ~ Charles Fuchs.
What's Up STACKERS!
Throughout the last few weeks, most of you have probably seen an increase of the "Action" or some of you may call it "Drama", on a few posts throughout Steemit. 🙇🏼
All the way from Spam, Voting Abuse, Reward Pool Rape, Flags etc... have been addressed by lots of the people in the community. This isn't anything new but when "Whales" get involved, it usually makes the storylines. 👨🏼💻
Usually I'm far to busy to get involved but if you love Steemit, you should care. It's pretty hard to miss this types of ause when posting and looking at content these days so let's address it a bit.
The highlights really have been focused on #RewardPoolRape, what is it you say? It's when a few authors find ways to "Game" the system to make an absurd amounts of money that people question that takes away earnings from the rest of the community. Meaning that there is only a certain amounts of rewards we all can earn that is put aside for all of us to generate on a daily bases. (I think that's how you can explain it). 🤣
There has been cases that a few "Steemians" here making around $300-$600 per blog and posting around 5-10 times a day. With SBD being so high, that's around... oh shit, bunch of cash!😂
Don't get me wrong, it's ok to create great posts with good content a day that makes up to $1000 but 7-10 of them a day while most people making peanuts, that nuts in my book.
To 99.9% of us, that is pretty ridiculous... regardless of how good or bad the content is, no one person deserves that as it takes away from you and me.
If we want this community to be "Great" and "Somewhat" fair to everyone, we must get involved to stop these things from happening by "letting our voices be heard" and make it aware of whats going on to the community.
Who am I to say what is right or wrong, this is a decentralized platform and the power is in each one of us to change it or let it happen. 🤷🏼♂️
So What Do We Do To Stop This From This Happening?
Who Knows? There will never be a right answer because everyone will have his or her opinion and there is no such thing as living in "Utopia" where everyone gets along holding hands singing "Kumbaya"... that's just plain reality.
However, what we can do is try to find some kind of solution.
One way is to go back and limiting peoples post to at least 4 times a day which we had last year, this won't solve the problem but it will help. By limiting everyones post to 3-4 a day, this will cut down on shitty content, spam, voting abuse, reward thieves and many other things.
People will still try to "Game" it by making more accounts but it's better than nothing. If we make it harder for people to "abuse" the system, it still will cut down the trash! 🤮
I would love to hear the community has to say on what we can do to make this place kinda fair for everyone, remember... we are decentralized which means the power is in all of us. 🌟
With that being said, what are your thoughts? Let's get some conversation going... looking forward to everyones thoughts about this.
Keep on STACKIN! 💞
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Interesting thoughts @stackin
It's a shame that we need these conversations but that's the price of freedom I guess.
I like the idea of a maximum amount of posts a 24hr period, I'd make it two though as I'm sure it would encourage people produce better quality work and engage with others more.
I only ever post 2-3 times a week as my posts are always lengthy and ordinarily take a fair bit of research.
Sadly you're always going to get asshat spammers and those who desire to game the system however that's human nature.
Stack on bro.
Agreed, like the idea of 2-4 posts a day... this will probably cut down spam to half and rewardpoolrape, it also will make harder for people to “game” the system. Keep on STACKIN 🤑
Once that happens though, naturally the abusers will just try to hide it in upvoting of comments.. I even seen RewardPoolRapers posting constant comments, then upvoting their comments that are minutes away from the post voting age so people don't have a chance to downvote it afterwards, and they get the payouts sooner
I could propose 3 changes.
All things the platform can try out with a hardfork, lets throw reputation score in there also :)
Can you imagine how flipped Steem would be if your vote size was directly from your rep score? @Stackin would be throwing out $100 comment upvotes like candy.
At 69 rep you'd be one of the biggest votes on the block chain!
Hey now, I only do over 1000+ votes a week lol
Ha! This is true.
Limiting the posts and the same ip login should be stopped so that even you have multiple accounts, you cannot login the two accounts in the 24 hour period. And self voting should be stopped or limited.
Limiting post is a good idea but with the ip issue, people will just use a vpn lol
But not all the users know how to use it. At least we will be able to stop it to some extent.
Actually the answer is in all of us.
It is decentralized as you mention prior.
This is called trial and error.
1.- The same way your ability to vote drop after certain amount of vote, it should go down with the amount of posts and most likely rewards accumulated with that post. Something has to give. I know it has to do with bandwidth then
2.- There should be a bot on steemit after three posts with a certain amount of rewards. Again it is decentralized.
3.- Whatever ideas I bring, it will be biased to my belief system. This is human factor.
4.- There should be a break system match with steem value to curb abuser from the system. That way it is immune to all steemians and protect fairness and prosper the longevity of the community.
At the end, keep on steemit.
I think he could post as much as he wants when he would be willing to decline payouts after post 3 or 4. A post limit would make the second or third account then way more attractive.
On the other hand the whales are free to do with their stake as they see it fitting meaning upvoting him all the time or downvoting all the time.
@aggroed made a good point that in a way it is also good for steemit as you need role models so people loose their shit how much they can make here.
That is nice idea!
If the post #1 received much reward then the second post close to the first by timeframe has reduced reward.
I totally agree, people can do whatever they want with there stake... Limiting posts will kill a few birds with one stone. It will cut down people spamming the shit out of steemit with like 10-30 posts a day. lol This won't solve the problem but it can help. Who knows :)
I saw one guy just replying to comment after comment by himself, giving each comment a $25 upvote. The thread was about 100 comments deep when I last checked. So I don't know if limiting posts is going to help a great deal.
Not to mention, if we want people using apps like Steepshot the same way they'd use Instagram, then you want them to have the freedom to post 1000 selfies a day (for better or worse lol)
Right, when you visit Steemit without logging in, you see these top posts that generate a lot of income first. In that way, having those posts with high rewards helps promote the platform. Of course, it's easy to argue that there doesn't need to be 10 of them from the same person.
It's also easy to argue that it gives a false impression of how things might work for anyone else. It's the old Amway problem (the pioneers of Multi Level Marketing): you hear about the nice incomes you can make, but only 1 out of 1000 get to that point, while the other 999's efforts to get there is what puts the 1 to the top. In steemit, the minnows are making the whales rich just as much as anything the whales are doing.
Proper KYC while account creation, imposing a limit on max number of posts per day, removing the option of upvoting own posts/comments.
As for the voting, 2 whales will teamup and 100% upvote eacother instead. Its being done now without mentioning names (that will downvote everything i do)
There are always ways to play around with the system and we can't really do much about it.
I agree with all of this except the kyc, it will be too much and kill decentralization on what blockchain meant to be, thanks for the comment Bossman! 😎
Without KYC, i can just simply use all my upvotes on my fake accounts and earn more, I think we need to find a solution to avoid that.
Did you notice that SteemWorld has a new metric called CSI, which shows how much of your voting power you use to self vote vs voting others? Maybe that should be displayed by reputation. At least, it could shame some users into not self voting so much.
For real man... Its insane how much some of these system "gamers" are making... and the masses cant do anything to stop it. We need the dolphins and whales to go back to steemit circa early 2017/2016. Where quality content is TRULY rewarded. They got lost in the piles and piles of money that they have made... Thanks for the post bro. Hope all is well! STEEM ON!
Yeah, it has to be addressed by the whales... once they all get involved and lead the pack, we all can follow.
Exactly. Well said man!
It would also help if they stop advertising this as a decentralized platform. Sure, the cryptocurrency end of it might be decentralized, but people coming in won't get the fine distinction between the crypto platform and the social media platform, and so assume they've just walked into a decentralized way to spread content and get rewarded. It amounts to false or deceptive advertising.
What if we had a system where the users could downvote it for spam or poor content. If it gets enough downvotes it gets flagged. Then it can get reviewed, and if it the downvoting is deemed appropriate, then suspend that user?
It’s not enough, the voting power of them can destroy 100 dolphins and 1000’s of minnows... no one wants to get a flag war ya know 😳😀... the whales must lead the pack.
Most true whales are not necessarily spending as much time on steem it as the ambitious upstart plankton & minnows. Would delegating to content curators be a best fit solution?
It may but they tend to abuse that power over time 😒😀
Is it possible Delegate to another person for 30 days at a time? Basically Vest in another account for 30 days or 90 days. Automatically power down to the Steem Power Provider. If that is possible I think that is a good fit for the problem. This type of steem power delegation and voting for witnesses every 90 days should be incentivized by the blockchain for maximum participation.
True. Don't want that, for sure.
Sounds like we need somebody to setup a site where you can submit post URLs anonymously, someone can review it, and if it is deemed to be a shitpost, then it gets passed to some whales for flagging.
We can form alliances just the way they have formed.
Flag wars is the favorite hobby of the bored whale. ;) I´m also very concerned by the increasing number of 0 payout I´m seeing here, when scrolling through Steemit. The short term problem with this is, that motivation is at risk -how long will a new user keep on posting, when he sees that he is producing a big 0 with a blog post that took him 1 hour to write, while watching the big fish earning insane numbers for a stupid picture of their snow covered trash pin in their backyard!
I think we´ll need several processes in place, that will guarantee at least a tiny amount payout for newbies - otherwise this game will soon become dirtier than it is already...
I consider myself a principled person with some integrity but when things are this dirty I'm considering using a shadow account to play the game just to get ahead a little bit. It seems like those with real power are cashing out while the one's striving for long term sustainable quality upgrades will be the last in the deforested jungle. This whole scenario doesn't say good things about us. It's disheartening
Yeah you are all right.. Its really disapointed that we earn small... Ppl came here with big dream and efforts again and again but find nothing.. I think some reward should be for authors for their good posts from steemit other than uppvotes
Some good idea, maybe Steemit Inc can fix it or another company will find a solution. hmmm :)
It's a hard thing to fix. Much smarter minds than me have spent much larger amounts of time than me trying to resolve it. People with much more Steem power are out there counter voting it right now.. I feel like Dan might have been on the right track to fixing it, he said he wanted to make 3 changes to Steem, but ned didn't agree.. here is what Dan said in a comment one of his posts the other day, he said if these were implemented Steem would be much better "Identity validation, vote canceling, dispute resolution, bonded behavior, n2 reward curve." .. I think that's as the creator of the blockchain, he is probably most capable of seeing the flaws, but ned and Steemit own the Steem blockchain unless I'm mistaken.. they paid Dan to create it, it is theirs to do with as they please from the comments ned has made.and this is the direction him and tlsteemit inc has decided to go
He was pro whale pro inequality dev.
Dont make a cult of him.
bronevik. I am not making a cult of him.. but pretend Joe nobody said that those things would fix steemit and look at the suggestions.. Would they help? Or will what Ned and Steemit is doing help more?
Steemit would not exist without Dan L, he said himself the distribution of Steemit sucked.. It was a mistake, a lesson for him to learn from.. If you go back and dig up the posts on the POW days of steemit, it was a complete failure. The fact it still stands today should show the strength of the idea, and of the blockchain..
If a coin were to come through and say airdrop tokens in a more fair distribution, run on a better blockchain, and have better voting mechanisms in place.. Steem might be in a heap of trouble. Not that it will die, but it will become Myspace. This is just commonsense talking. No cult of Dan necessary..
Its funny when I defend steemit people say im in the cult of dan, when I dont defend Steemit's bad choices on Steemit.. Im in the cult of Dan. People outside of Steemit think Steemit is the headquarters of the cult of Dan. Here on Steemit questioning how to make it better, means your in the cult of Dan.. Unavoidably in the cult of Dan I guess
Well in order to not be in a cult change all "dan said something" to "i'm saying something because of reason and evidence".
Should help.
Well I initially started with smarter people than me have tried. So I was giving an example of a smarter person than me who tried. But I get what you are saying. Noted, and thanks for the conversation.
Yeah, that was in the past. As we are getting stats and now have the data, things on steemit can be adjusted and fixed.lets see what happens in a few months with the hardfork, thanks boss for stopping by 💪🏼🙌🏼😀💯
Too bad the new hard fork doesn't look too promising as far as fixing anything serious. One account per person and vote strength of square root n or something similar, under linear, would be nice to try out. Might even actually have a user retention length longer than a few days on average lol. Reducing the strength of repeat votes to the same accounts would go a long way in helping things along as well. There are tons of suggestions to fix voting that would be for the benefit of steemit's growth but they're not really enticing to the people who already have all the power, and why would they let that power go if they're making money right now.
Im also excited for communities coming. Should shake things up a bit.. We are still in Beta so things can get better!
Thanks for addressing this issue, it's something that I have noticed since I started posting regularly on Steemit.
I work full time in cryptocurrencies, and I have been seriously considering making Steemit a part of my full time work, which would involve putting in a lot more hours to the platform. It is hard to make this jump at the minute because I see people making huge returns like you mentioned and feel that there is a lot of money being given to them over others. That being said, my way of combatting this is to keep on posting quality content. I put in at least two hours of research in to each post that I make, and that's on top of what I already know about the subject. I then probably put in one hour or so to formatting, then interacting etc..
I think that if everyone takes an approach where they give as much time as they can to the platform, create high quality posts and make sure to upvote high quality posts that may pass by less noticed than other people's, the community will do fine. It will not solve the problem, but it will help the community to still earn a good amount and not be as badly affected.
You got the right mindset @lukebbrn!
Thanks! Would love to chat more if you're on Steemit chat or Discord? My handles on both are @lukebrn, would really appreciate some feedback on how I am getting on!
I don't even know what you write about @lukebrn but I'll follow you because of your dedication to quality content.
Thank you @kirbyhopper, glad to hear it!
How about these changes ?
Limit number of upvotes and daily posts (like @bronevik commented in this post).
Upvote amount = Somewhat calculation between Repuation score and SP.
Post requirement : minimum a good amount of words(50/100/100+) and photos. This might help to bring quality in peoples post as there are many people who just post a photo and earns.
Those ideas seems great to me and needs to be tested! 🙌🏼🙌🏼
Good luck. I will be looking forward to result :)
Shit, I guess there is no corner of the earth that is untouched by the politics of envy.
Why are we even talking about how others are using the platform?
The platform is right here in front of us all - we can use it as we please, but if someone wants to use it their way, we collectively try to pull them down?
Why can't we try and learn from their success and emulate it? Rewards are linear - each of us is just as capable to do the same thing if we put in the same amount of effort.
@snubbermike
I agree to a certain point, if you are right we all have the same possibilities because we all have the same tool in front of us and it works exactly the same for everyone.
but regardless of that if it is okay, what I think is being treated here is not exactly that issue but abuse, abuse is not here or anywhere in the world, an example of abuse is developed countries abusing Third World countries that do not have the same possibilities for many reasons (education, economy etc etc) but it would be very long to talk about it here.
the point is that if it is good that we all have a tool that we can squeeze to the maximum and be unlimited for all, but as in all that tool has to have some rules of use some rights and obligations to work the most perfect and as fair as possible for the majority, then what I see is not only the problem that some are abusing the system in a systematic way but the system itself is still failing because if a system does not have ways to abuse the nobody could abuse it .
I think the key here is that steemit has to improve a lot so that it is a practically indestructible system and where no type of cheating can be done.
if we want this to be a social network and a good platform that is useful and benefits everyone in the most just way possible, it would have to have rules and not only rules but a system that is capable of detecting abuse since it is not just about to earn money but to earn it ethically without stealing, we do not want a system that does not have utility and is just a money-making machine because then we end up becoming the corrupt banks that run the world and have no scruples about printing money and robbing people.
In summary:
strengthen the tool
that is useful
that detects abuses alone
that is fair for all
that is a way to earn money in the most ethical way possible to win in abundance all the parties involved and not a place where a few win while the rest only pick up some remains.
Like everything in life there should be a set of rules... guess you don’t know how steemit rewards work. Pretty soon, they won’t be any rewards at all to talk about.
There are rules, and just like in life, those who best use the rules to their advantage are the most successful.
There is no way for a top user, or group of top users to empty the rewards pool. It has been a linear rewards allocation since Hard Fork 19.
There is also no way to stop what you call "abuse". There will always be an incentive for a group of people to vote each other, or a single user having multiple accounts, or the combination of the two.
The biggest effect we can have on distributing the rewards pool away from those top "abusers" would be to encourage as many people as possible to buy as much Steem as they can afford, put out 10-15 posts per day, and self-vote.
Of course, that isn't the Steem we all want to see...
So, buy as much as you can afford, post a couple good posts, interact with your followers, build a following, and self vote...
It will always be possible to make money here if you do that.
But everyone complaining that they can't make money here "because of others who are abusing the system" are not only wrong about that, but they are also not helping anyone by complaining about it..
Never said it was going to stop it, but people to come up with some solutions. Currently two people are taking 10% of all the rewards pool everyday. If you make it harder for the abusers, thus reducing it.
Wow I didn't even know this was happening. Like you said I'm usually pretty busy and try to at least post here once a day (twice if I have some extra time). I'm going to look into this a bit more and see how I can do my part. Appreciate the post
Keep your eyes open, you will see it :)
I definitely see it now looking around 🤦🏽♂️
@stackin since the power is in our hands, same hands that upvotes this anomalous accounts. Why don't we have a report on them pasted on something like a notice board, so we can avoid encouraging them with our precious upvotes and reserve it for those deserving of it. Also there should be a way to limit the amount of posts a person can make.
Sounds like a good idea to me... Limiting posts to 4 a day will help solve some problems that we complain about everyday :)
@Stackin can't the top twenty witnesses do something about these?
I think if we limit the amount of posts you can author to 4 in a 24hour period that might also help people spend more time engaging with others instead of focusing on their own content too :).
That’s what I like to hear 😬😀
4 posts per day will help for start. Just gonna say one think about dude you are talking about... He flagged fundraiser for me from 50$ to 0$. That say a lot about him! But he will say he wants to help other...ooo yea?!...but why did he flag fundraiser then? He is pathetic egomaniac only interested in profit. I also noticed he don't reply to comments on Steemit...but yea, he is posting for the community! Here is short article about him flagging fundraiser: Link
People get to emotional when its all about money, the community must ban together and need some leaders to address it :)
Flag is the only solution i think because it stops the person from posting 5-10 times in few days & rewards get back to reward pool. It is only way to stop raping reward pool.
It's not enough as it will start a flag war and retaliation. These people have millions of dollars of steem power. If you get 1000's minnows to downvote them, it will just take a few bucks and you can become a victim of being flagged also by huge voting power :)
possibly a downvote option that doesn't affect rep, or maybe a anonymous way to down vote after one author has received a certain percentage of the reward pool in one day lol
Never know, all these has to be tested or we an just keep it the way it is lol
I think for those 400$ post poeopke, we need to remove them from the auto vote
That will take about 1000 minnows lol
I don;t know that I've been here long enough to truly understand how the rewardpool is distributed, but I do see a lot of simple no thought content earning a relatively large amount. I supposed one downside of earning for posting is some people will always try to game the system.
Let’s make it harder for them to “game the system” 😀
I'm leery about flagging people with high reps, but, I;ve used the flag a few times on people/bots who straight up left SPAM comments on my posts
What´s up bro? pretty damn good topic ... I guess you are reffering here to some crypto guy making tons of $$$ with lets call it marginal content posts... if it wouldda only a post a day it wouldnt harm any of us much but as it stands its just insane.
I guess we all just gotta 10x our effort making that stop, hey :) guess what: I got the 10x book & its mind blowing ... best thing that happend to me this year so far
good call bro
Yeah, 10x our content haha
I am totally agree on 4 post a day cap.. this will lessen the spam in the platform,
I know that creating content will take hours before it was done, What they do is keep posting and posting short post and don't bother anymore and more on self only.
That’s how it was in past, 4 posts in 24 hours. Wonder why the changes it 🤔
As much as steempower is involved someone like me is just a toothless lion, if you know what I mean
HAHA, I get you... but what if there were 5000 toothless lions, they can do some damage :)
Yes they can but that will be at the expense of let's say from rep 50 to rep 15😂😂😂😂😂😂
A post limit makes sense. But perhaps a limit to one post per 1 or 2 hours would be better. There have been times where I sit on a few posts and pump them all out in one day when I have time to finish editing etc.
Personally, I also use my one account for a few purposes. Including a fundraiser. So a few posts in one day is very possible.
But limiting posts to one per hour or so will frustrate spammers enough that they give up and move on.
Thats around 12-24 posts per day, thats to much. lol
Yeah but you can’t spam a bunch of crap photos over an hour and then log out and forget about it for the rest of the day.
That’s what I see happen a lot.
I came across an account yesterday where a girl was photographing crap in her house and posting it with the title photrgph or something similar.
In the space of a couple of hours she had posted 6 or 7 crap photos.
That’s the sort of behaviour it would stop.
Was that poster making any money off if it? Just saying, I've got some crap around my house too to snap photos of, but I'm not sure I'd get any votes.
Nothing significant. It was one of those quantity over quality things.
In my view I’d prefer to have less crap to sift through. If the “new” feed was cleaned up I’m sure it would be much easier to interact with the undervalued but good quality content.
Thank you for addressing this. It is a big issue and a reason I believe newbies lose interest when they start. I'm not a big fan of rules but I think it's necessary to keep this platform going like we want. The 4 post limit seems responsible to me.
Yeah, the only people who lose interest would be only money drivin people... I see this as a social media platform first and then the money 🤑
I guess we can form some sort of community Hub or server, where we can all work together to help ?
Sounds like a good idea, a few leaders or people need to step up. 😀
I've been watching this one. He now waits until day 5 before he upvotes his alt account. It's a little sneaky, but it does give us minnows a chance to get a we bit of the curation pie.
Sentence was gone, fixed lol... Gamification will always happen 😂
Gamification also makes it fun. :-)
Steemit should be harder about rules. No quality many contents. Atleast we should support only good contents, not randoms.
I hear ya, but this is also a social media website, content doesn’t have to be that good but just not shitty spam 🤣
Not sure the bigger accounts care but speaking from a newbie's point of view...This will scare a lot of people, potentially great people, from joining the platform. The amazing thing about Steemit, is the potential for proof of brain to become a big thing. Your fellow peers rewarding you for being creative. That's the utopian world we dream of here right? LOL
Not sure what the answer is, and don't feel like my voice can do much. But I do know this scares a lot of people away and could hurt the growth of Steemit if people are being flagged all the time or taking all the toys and not leaving any for the rest of us.
I don't think it will scare people away, they would just make less if we let only a handful of people taking all the rewards for "gaming it". With time, I think steemit will come up with a better resolution. Apresssssh your input @jongolson.
From what I have been noticing is some whales doing cleanups on bots like @grumpycat and I kind of like that. But with that being said its only the little people that feels the effect of it. Other whales just makes those really low quality posts 10 times pr day and fully upvote it, some even make more in a week on crap content than I do with a fulltime job in denmark (we even have high payments compared to many other countries) and that just makes me sick of it, and if we complain they do a serious amount of damage to our accounts, im extremely happy if a post of mine gets past 8sbd which hardly ever happends and i do put in alot of time on my posts, and i can see a whale spending 5mins and gets to 200+sbd.... if many whales (like @berniesanders ) actually cared about anything else but their pockets and power, we could achieve something great... #whalescometogether
Most whales do care but at times, there has to be some kind of solution that someone can think of that can make steemit a better place :)
Perhabs make some sort of High-counsil of whales and good dolphins to solve abusive situations as one of those going on right now. The council should make votes on solving those sorts of issues when it xomes to whale abuse. This will still make steemit independent but with with a security when it comes to abuse of power.
Maybe im reaching for the skies here, but I dont see why it shouldnt be possible if there is a mutual agreement that abuse of power is a nogo, otherwise this isnt better than north korea if we cant join together for a sollution.
would be awesome to have a button "report", connected with a page that shows all reported posts, so biggest people can easy downvote them until they reach 0 reputation level..
Sounds like a good idea to me :)
Limiting the posts would work here, but not on other platforms that are tailored to more short frequent posting.
The goal here is to control the SPAM.
So let's focus on that.
In reality, SPAMmers would continue to SPAM as long as they can make even a few cents, such is there need for money. So restricting to 4 posts isn't going to stop anything.
We really need a Town Square meeting to sort through this.
Never said it wasn’t going to stop it but curb the suspicious activities. It will make it harder for them to spam 😀
yeah, this might not be the answer, but at least they were limited to do spamming, and better engage healthy conversation with other steemians
I don't have the answer but I definitely agree with you. This platform should be where those who are adding value get to share in the rewards, and not where .1% of the people here reap all the benefits (that sounds a bit too much like real life :)
Hmmm, what if 99.9 of them powerup? That’s the problem, most people won’t 😂
Maybe it should be mandatory that a certain amount of your rewards go towards powering up but that's just my socialist self talking :)
Just because they might power up it does not legitimise the abuse.
Where does that lead us anyway? All the abusers are powered up and even more influential on the platform.
I have an anti-corruption post bouncing around in my head for a while now and maybe today is the day it will come out. You've helped inspire me, thanks.
When done, tell me about it... I'll sure to check it out :)
Ok, I got it out today. Corruption On STEEM : What Do You Do?
Do you think flagging will do anything? But with so many of the users being very weak in voting power it will take an insane ammount of flags...
Not much at all, there is not enough time to flag all there 10-20 posts a day lol
The best answer I feel just do what you feel is right, Comment the best you can, make the best quality posts you think you can and always do your best. There will always be abuse on any system but they eventually get weeded out or rules change to combat it and keep a system healthy. At the end of the day if you can say your happy with what you did then all good in my book. Its impossible to eliminate abuse and spam it happens on ever social platform you look at.
Spoken like a true champ :)
Exactly where I have a challenge. It is better for me to focus on the reason why I am here that get caught up in a flag war. Not really that I do not know what to say. My influence on the steemit platform is still small compared to those of bigger ''dolphins '', orcas and whales.
Regarding spam, many here know that I have zero tolerance to spam comments and post. I flag without thinking twice. @patrice is doing a great job @steemcleaners and she will continue to have my votes.
@maryfavour .
We think the same way @maryfavour, we are to busy doing content and making this community great. I bit my tongue for weeks seeing this going around, we just need steemit inc to come up with small solutions that can make it better. No one likes a flag war lol
Some of these guys make 30k each day. Thats insane.
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Personally, I don't really mind people making quite a lot of post per day, as long as they're posting quality content. And correct me if i'm wrong, but if you want to post quality content, writing a post takes some time. Maybe I could make it to 4 posts a day if I work all day long, but writing more would have an impact on the quality (I'm not saying that my articles are top quality - but I do try and I spend a lot of time doing research)
At this point in time, my main concern are all the spam/plagiarism posts that are not only posted, but also get loads of upvotes (which I don't understand at all). And more and more people keep upvoting that stuff, because they know those posts are real money-makers.
After reading this post by @bullishmoney I realized that we should find a way to make people stop rewarding content that doesn't belong on Steemit. If they won't get upvotes, that rubbish content will simply disappear (but there will still be the bots to misuse, unfortunately) .
I've been thinking bout setting up some sort of 'awareness campaign' to at least try to get people to ignore content that doesn't belong here. I'm still in the brainstorming phase, but I do add a banner at the bottom of every post reminding people to only upvote quality content.
Maybe I'm naive as hell, and this is a waste of time and/or plainly stupid, but I want to know that at least I'm trying...
the problem is that here is not voting precisely for quality but for popularity, but to be decentralized and free would add that the term quality is very subjective and what for someone can be quality for others not.
and it is good that there is freedom and the creativity of each one is released as it is without strict quality standards that nobody can know if they are true or not because as I say quality is subjective and for tastes are the colors, which we can not allow Absolutely not the abuse of the system, we can not allow this to be a place where a few big ones are something like the owners or bosses and they play with the system in their favor.
maybe join the minnows and dolphins (the union makes the force) and put flags in the publications of whales that are truly unfair.
Can someone help me out I got attacked on this post
https://steemit.com/steemit/@isteemithard/great-link-tools-for-steemit-info
by @ grumpycat for using @boomerang I don't think this should be aloud what should I do? I feel like its a form of dictatorship rule.
It's a tough system to govern, since the whole concept is so, well, open. I know there are a couple whales down voting the people who are getting out of line, but there definitely needs to be more community based solutions and governing.
Greed is something we'll always have to deal with and it's sad that these people don't know when to draw the line.
Let's make Steemit a better place together! I'm down for a drum circle and some hippie songs!
Steemit big boys like I call them, it surprises me when I see them earning so much on multiple posts when minnows could hardly get a little token in days. I think steemit should set a max earning that any post can generate and there should be limit on the post you can make in a day, week etc. Minnows should be giving some priorities inorder to encourage them
I want to know the main reason for being spam.
Greed!
Nice suggestion charles.. I like steemit but i wonder how many ppl here posts after every 1hr or few minutes.. I also wonder same posts from two ppl one ll earn pennys and other ll hundreds$.. Thanx for sharing
@aggroed made a good point that in a way it is also good for steemit as you need role models so people loose their shit how much they can make here.
As far as you are right, the number of members was 600 thousand and Spam makers increased.
As you say, some of the popular members get $ 300-600 per post, but they still post 10 posts per day.
selfish bastards, usurers, nobody needs so much money to live well and comfortably, I'm not against wealth because I like that there is plenty for everyone but it bothers me to see when people earn a lot and totally disproportionately do not settle for that and even they want to squeeze more, and the problem with that is that what they squeeze is being taken from others in the common rewards boat.
i will try to follow you