@steevc did not mention anything about free speech or censorship. 🤨 He simply commented about the need of Hive users to have their Hive account verified (matches the accounts on other social media platforms they claim they are also posting on), or else you would have a hard time determining which account is legitimate (not a plagiarist farming rewards by posing as the user on other platforms).
If you want to find out anyone's "real" intentions because you think they are different from what they are saying, you should open another conversation for that. 🤨
Or maybe trying to avoid rewards going to crooks. I'm off to create accounts for Madonna, Britney and Beyonce so I can reap millions posting their stuff. No need to prove it's really them of course.
It should be the same way it's handled on Web2 sites like Google Search, a DCMA complaint between the owner of the content, and the person who posted it.
The biggest issue is the authoritarian nature of HW's and them requiring users to login to Discord, post an apology, etc.
As for the rewards, that's what the #FreeMarket of upvotes and downvotes is for.
And if we creatr a verification system, + open sources it, people who verified would likely earn more, but it would be opt-in, w/out harrasment or authortarian rhetoric.
excellent time to bring up that vouching IS my best method... personally.
I'll vouch the parrent comment by @adamada (67) 6 hours ago
The vouching system is the most simplified form of decentralized verification. Seeing a lot of loopholes can be used against this system it really baffles me how dumb fucks would freely give their info on centralized social media platform to conform vs decentralized platforms where steps to verify can be done in minutes without a drama. Really lacking the proof of brain here.
@chrisrice and I broke ground on a method ... Everyone's OWN version of the BLUE CHECK can be brought to HIVE expediantly.
Here is a user who could possibly get a D.BUZZ check mark for doing certain verification Steps ... that follow THEIR free speech guildlines.
I just need to know if the owner of the account cross platform also uses the content posted on hive by acknowledging they know hive. Other sensitive info is unncessesary. Do you post on hive with x username? No? Have a good day. I think you confuse my own venture with HW that has a separate protocol of idk what, I'm just checking out for myself representing myself.
Then, 3rd party users could verify for themselves, if a user was legit, based on clicking on the blue check mark (or something similar) that would direct to the Web2 account used for verification.
Im infinitely MORE interested in Verification EARNED on D.BUZZ than i am in defending myself to Hivewatchers. For I need to be able to put THEM on a Watchlist. 🙏😎🥓👍
Technically speaking of course.
Yeah and the above case I did for myself. Do you think I was being authoritarian when I decided to check if the account was legit when it was part of the curating routine? HW has nothing to do with it.
I would ask for your other social media account and go message you there just as I would usually do on my own. But if this is the only place you post then I would just leave it at that.
The secret is that there doesn't have to be just one! Do you get it yet? Anyone can step up and do this, but it takes effort and exposes them to the sort of abuse you throw around. The evidence of identity can be made public for others to check for themselves. Can even be put on the blockchain.
Ever consider that people give a shit about Hive and not just their own profits? Some of us don't self-vote even when we get flagged.
I downvote abuse all the time so legit people can get more rewards. Sometimes they retaliate, but whatever.
If nobody does anything 'authoritarian' then Hive will be as shit as Steem has become.
Like so many "anti-" movements, the real goal isn't the stated one
They are only interested in not having their bag diluted/capital presentation, it has nothing to do with spam prevention or community quality, these are the virtuous goals given to the young enforcers who don't get realize the game
yep, just a few plutocrats that enjoy using their stake to feel "in charge" of something for once in their life...
I am clearly not a fake account, I don't plagiarize or steal content, I don't harass users (I try my best to be kind to others here)... yet here I am, one of their primary targets as of late lol
The same way that you know an image from Google Images is legit at first glance, you don't.
$HIVE is supposed to be Web3, but you are advocating for more policing than what even Google does.
@steevc did not mention anything about free speech or censorship. 🤨 He simply commented about the need of Hive users to have their Hive account verified (matches the accounts on other social media platforms they claim they are also posting on), or else you would have a hard time determining which account is legitimate (not a plagiarist farming rewards by posing as the user on other platforms).
Yes, and that's fine.
#FreeSpeech is @dbuzz's real use case, and IMO it happens to also be the most in demand use cases rn.
@steevc's stance on free speech is a different topic than Hive account verification. 🤨 You may open another conversation with that topic. 😑
It's all related, but you don't realize it.
@dbuzz's agenda is preserving + expanding #FreeSpeech online.
Posted via D.BuzzThat also happens to be the best use case for onboarding . . and user retention for #Web3.
If you want to find out anyone's "real" intentions because you think they are different from what they are saying, you should open another conversation for that. 🤨
Umm, I asked hin directly in this thread.
Posted via D.BuzzIt also all relates to everything else in this discussion, since @steevc has not directly said, what his agenda is yet.
A lot of the reasoning for abuse fighting on #Hive is to enhance user retention and increase onboarding.
But it's important to confirm that it's also @steevc's agenda, vs. something else.
Posted via D.BuzzTag: @jeffjagoe @frankbacon @websavvy
Who is @websavvy? 🤨🤨🤨
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I don’t think they do lol. Authoritarians love to be in control. And that is all this is about. Having control of the HIVE blockchain.
Or maybe trying to avoid rewards going to crooks. I'm off to create accounts for Madonna, Britney and Beyonce so I can reap millions posting their stuff. No need to prove it's really them of course.
The verification system @dbuzz will make.
Free market of upvote and downvotes.
Will avoid misappropriation of rewards, and btw, authoritarians are crooks too, start with them 👍
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Good luck with that!
Our verification will likely be the equivalent of a blue checkmark, but it would be done via software, on an opt-in basis, not harrassment.
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So if someone claims to be a celebrity and doesn't want to verify that's okay? Should they get any rewards? Asking for my friend Bill Gates.
It should be the same way it's handled on Web2 sites like Google Search, a DCMA complaint between the owner of the content, and the person who posted it.
The biggest issue is the authoritarian nature of HW's and them requiring users to login to Discord, post an apology, etc.
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As for the rewards, that's what the #FreeMarket of upvotes and downvotes is for.
And if we creatr a verification system, + open sources it, people who verified would likely earn more, but it would be opt-in, w/out harrasment or authortarian rhetoric.
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Btw, what do you think about the plans of Bill Gates to "vaccinate" the world, including children, w/mRNA?
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I think he wants to do good, but some people think nobody would do that without some sinister ulterior motive.
Anyway I have better stuff to do than debate with you. Go create a verification system and I'll see what I think of it.
Yeah, I've got other things to make before the verification system, but @dbuzz will get to it.
All will eventually be open sourced 👍
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How do we know which authoritarian group is the real HIVE verification service?
Posted via D.BuzzThis!!! ☝️😅 @frankbacon @steevc
excellent time to bring up that vouching IS my best method... personally.
I'll vouch the parrent comment by @adamada (67) 6 hours ago
@chrisrice and I broke ground on a method ... Everyone's OWN version of the BLUE CHECK can be brought to HIVE expediantly.
Here is a user who could possibly get a D.BUZZ check mark for doing certain verification Steps ... that follow THEIR free speech guildlines.
All else follows from here.
I just need to know if the owner of the account cross platform also uses the content posted on hive by acknowledging they know hive. Other sensitive info is unncessesary. Do you post on hive with x username? No? Have a good day. I think you confuse my own venture with HW that has a separate protocol of idk what, I'm just checking out for myself representing myself.
My idea is to automate blue checkmarks without acting as a middle man.
The verification I envision, will allow users to verify their @dbuzz / #HIVE account via Web2.
Posted via D.Buzz@adamada
Then, 3rd party users could verify for themselves, if a user was legit, based on clicking on the blue check mark (or something similar) that would direct to the Web2 account used for verification.
Posted via D.BuzzIf @billgates verified w/a Web2 account of 5 followers, it's fake @steevc
Im infinitely MORE interested in Verification EARNED on D.BUZZ than i am in defending myself to Hivewatchers. For I need to be able to put THEM on a Watchlist. 🙏😎🥓👍
Technically speaking of course.
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A big difference between @dbuzz and #HW, is that @nathansenn and I don't desire freedom or power over others.
Decentralization > Centralization
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Yeah and the above case I did for myself. Do you think I was being authoritarian when I decided to check if the account was legit when it was part of the curating routine? HW has nothing to do with it.
I tried to backread a see your conversation, but from what I see, it looks like your comments are fine.
Communication on-chain for verification is more transparent than off-chain via Discord.
Better tools would make the process easier, and could be opt-in.
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Vouching cannot scale imo, it needs to be a seamless, automated process, without a human middle man imo.
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Can you verify thats me in the picture?
Can a robot?
Can I?
I would ask for your other social media account and go message you there just as I would usually do on my own. But if this is the only place you post then I would just leave it at that.
Well, if you had access to a @frankbacon Twitter account, one that had 1 million followers.
That's what's important, and our future solution will solve that.
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✊solidarity bruv
The secret is that there doesn't have to be just one! Do you get it yet? Anyone can step up and do this, but it takes effort and exposes them to the sort of abuse you throw around. The evidence of identity can be made public for others to check for themselves. Can even be put on the blockchain.
Ever consider that people give a shit about Hive and not just their own profits? Some of us don't self-vote even when we get flagged.
I downvote abuse all the time so legit people can get more rewards. Sometimes they retaliate, but whatever.
If nobody does anything 'authoritarian' then Hive will be as shit as Steem has become.
This is not a very good statement from a #FreeSpeech / #Censorship resistant platform user
Posted via D.BuzzAnd lacks creativity, imagination, and goodwill . . @dbuzz will create solutions, give us time
Yea definitely not something I’m here for
And btw, @snacky manages much bigger communities than #HIVE, and does a better job with his team w/out resorting to force/harassment/authoritariansim.
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It's a difference of goals
Like so many "anti-" movements, the real goal isn't the stated one
They are only interested in not having their bag diluted/capital presentation, it has nothing to do with spam prevention or community quality, these are the virtuous goals given to the young enforcers who don't get realize the game
@snacky gave a good reply that is worth reviewing ☝️
Posted via D.BuzzTag: @steevc @jeffjagoe @frankbacon @adamada @coininstant @ackza.
WHoever this is needs to put a phone number and a physical address out there to EXPERIENCE what kind of REAL abuse can be thrown around.
I seriously need a call in line for this shit.
And im not letting vermin DICTATE anything of mine on the block.
yep, just a few plutocrats that enjoy using their stake to feel "in charge" of something for once in their life...
I am clearly not a fake account, I don't plagiarize or steal content, I don't harass users (I try my best to be kind to others here)... yet here I am, one of their primary targets as of late lol
“there doesn't have to be just one! Do you get it yet? Anyone can step up and do this, but it takes effort and exposes them”
no Steve, it doesn’t take effort. It simply takes stake. This is a plutocracy at its finest.
Stake. Ha. You don't need stake to make something impactful such as making statement. You need a voice.