@sweetsssj SP is the responsibility of it's delegators, Who is this person and what is his motive to still delegate to her after this much apparent selective rewarding?
So why don't you just flag it then, that's what the 12 hours of only downvoting are for, no?
We have already seen all this shit about sweetsssj a ton of times now. You are taking the piss if you genuinely think that the answer to this is you getting paid 500 SBD from the reward pool for telling us all something we already knew, and that we lack the power to do anything about.
You have the power. So do it silently and stop raping the reward pool. You really have no reason to. If you want legitimate reasons to post that are worthy of rewards, I have no problem giving you ideas. I have many that would be good for someone like you. I wouldn't even want anything in return other than for you to stop taking the piss with these tiny posts that are full of shit we already knew, that are milking the reward pool unnecessarily.
You've been here long enough to know that flagging is a complete waste of voting power. If I'm going to flag, you better believe I'm going to recover those lost rewards somehow.
Also, dummy, as you can see I paid for all of these votes and will likely not earn more than I spent to have this pushed to the top of trending.
Yeah, no kidding! So @barne734, I think you saw my comment on the other thread that it's just a sock puppet account from nextgen622, who is the one voting the twitternomore posts up.
Do you upvote a lot of things? Each time you upvote, it dilutes your future upvoting power temporarily. It's a little more complicated than this, but I think basically you recharge 20 100% upvotes each day. If you go over that, then it will take more than one day to recharge back to full upvoting power.
try 20- 100% UV/day and lmk how that works out for ya ;)
It's 11 by my calculations. But the recycle period on that would be right at 24 hours so they say 10 votes.
Doesn't upvoting someone else work the same as flagging? In that teh pool is fixed so by upvoting someone else you shift the percentage payouts?
I think the real problem on this site is that only a few people vote, most don't bother because they think their votes don't count (though they do in aggregate).
Maybe that's the question. How can people be encouraged to curate? My typical .001 curation rewards won't encourage it for returns, but people do it on Quora and Reddit for free because of engagement.
What's different? I really think if we had some sort of communities, it would help. The trending page is mostly crap, and if you're not interested in pumping the crypto of the day, it's boring. I've followed people who interested me, but most of them don't post that often because, you know, it's not worth it if you can't get exposure.
This! You are so on point. The barrier to getting a post worth anything for anyone’s with under 1000 SP is really going to hurt and make it so those whales are now super powerful and we need to retool the site so we can handle when YouTube and other social media start losing users to us. I think there are a lot of tweaks that would make this destination numero uno for a lot of people. But there are certainly things holding it back like the utter powerlessness of a user like me who has 500+ followers but can’t get a blog above $1 no matter what I do, what I write about, how I tag it and what time I post it. If we had groups we would have microenvironments that people could become involved in and it wouldn’t absolutely benefit the platform and all users current and future as a whole. Without a doubt. Upvoted and Followed.
Thats awesome man! At what point in a New Steemian career can they even offer that type of Blog contest or prize without at least having a good followings, reps, steem dollar/power/steem etc?
Yeah, you can't get any visibility without votes, but you can't get votes without visibility. Obviously, the company line is you have to invest to power up, get a delegation, etc. I've also heard you had to produce qualify content, and that would certainly help, but judging by the trending page, it doesn't ALWAYS appear to be a requirement.
Seriously, you can get some traction without that by engaging with communities and promoting your work, but it's very tough because it takes a lot of skill, improvement, and endurance. That's why there are so many inactive users.
Anyway, I just throw a bit out here and there and hope that in a year or two the ship's still floating, and my account will be worth more. It's no get-quick-rich platform unless you enter into it funded with either money or a large base of followers.
This isn't necessarily a total criticism. My daddy always used to warn me that the world did not revolve around me. I'm just saying that people need to have the right expectations.
Beautifully said. I am in that slow riding boat. I can see the trend that people who have a good following from youtube can make it good on steemit. Hence why Im gonna start doing more parody skits on youtube in the long run in hopes of building a fan base. Its gonna take a lot of work and time. I will do it for fun or else I will feel burnt out when I see no quick progress. It should not be a get rich quick gimmick, here on steemit or on youtube.
So when you say that you will recover those lost rewards, what does that mean?
Sweetsssj appears to be recovering her lost rewards by upvoting accounts that cash out to the same account as she does, and I understand fully why you find this repulsive, because seems not just greedy, but also deceptive. But, at the end of the day, she's trying to recoup losses to inflation that this platform imposes on all STEEM holders.
So, what's your method of keeping those rewards for yourself, and what makes your method morally superior to hers?
And, if it is morally superior, why aren't you just teaching her to do it your way instead?
We could make votes go down in value as posts age so day one votes at 100% are worth 100% but a last minute day six vote at 100% is only worth say 20%.
Dang Bernie. You are on a crusade. I couldnt help but laugh when you called "son of satire" dummy. Simple non expletive language. I like. I know you are against people like haijin and trevonj. Saw an old post where you flagged Dollarvigilante. I know I will be a whale one day. How do I give back to the community and not become a greedy son of a gun?
I do not consider the removal of rewards from abusers and the redistributing of reward funds to the rest of the community as a waste of voting power. Much to the contrary, I consider it the responsibility of high SP accounts such as yourself.
You have already recovered the rewards a million times over through selling your voting power that you are supposed to be using to reward quality content(and that you are still receiving curation rewards on your sold votes for doing so).
Also, you paid for these votes? I would have thought you had been here long enough to know that I am not as shortsighted as your average Steemit user. Yes, you might have paid for them. But you also sold them. So you bought them from yourself, meaning that you will earn;
The payout from this post.
The curation rewards from this post.
The SBD that was "spent" on purchasing the votes.
So, remind me again. What exactly did you pay?
That was rhetorical. I don't care for a wasteful back and forth. I want only for you to make an attempt to overcome your fear. It is clear you are afraid of looking as though you have lost; you are afraid of losing what you have accumulated; and you are afraid of not being the biggest fish in the pond forever.
It's time to grow up, Bernie. I know you are not half the cunt you purport yourself to be. When you are ready to challenge yourself, as a man does, and see if you can still be a winner without having to cheat, and perpetuate an economy of losers, then I will do, as a man does, and put all the bullshit you have done behind me and offer you my support to help you achieve that end.
Some of us have been in this space together for a long time now. Love it or hate it, we have become somewhat of a family, and STEEM our child that we are raising in the wrong fucking way. If we don't stop projecting the worst parts of us onto our baby, in its infancy, then I can assure you that what we raise into the world will be monstrous. I speak to a decade or two in the future in this instance, and I mean every word. Much like a natural child will be greatly impacted by events in their earliest years, so too will this network we call STEEM. If we start approving of shit that we should not right now, in a couple of years it will be the norm and there will be a far more abusive things going on that we are questioning; and so on and so forth until the very notion of community has been defeated.
However, if we can summon the courage to take a step forward and decide that we are going to try and do this the right way, and see if we can still achieve what we want, then perhaps the abuse that is stomped out in these early days will set a strong principle that will lead STEEM to a place of usefulness and benefit to the society of the future. Instead of just more of the fucking same.
The ONLY bot of my own that I used was @randowhale. The rest of the large votes on this post are NOT my bots.
I didn't read past that because I'm assuming it's pure bullshit just like the beginning of your ignorant rant. You need to get a clue, right now you haven't got one.
Don't attempt to obfuscate the issue. @randowhale may or may not be the only bot of yours that has upvoted this post, but several of your other accounts have. Also, I have seen no evidence that you are not transisto, and so for all I know they're fucking all you.
But either way it does not matter. I have said my piece, and I won't keep giving you more excuses to rape the reward pool via comment upvotes.
Also, we all know you read it. And your electing to pretend you did not only highlights my point. It is time to grow up, Bernie. And that means start living up to the responsibilities that come with being a highly influential member of an economy that determines the well-being of (soon)millions-- and their families.
The squeaky wheel right? I value people pointing it out. We need people that will take abuse to express their speech especially in order to highlight issues in Steemit. We all want this to be a fair place so I have no issue with this post especially if there was time put in to research and not taking drone pictures of a beach and the luxury resort you are at paid for by pointless blogs. It leaves a bad taste. On that I will always agree and the community needs to stop pushing these single posts so high with SP delegation. Maybe the delegation is turning out to be too easy to use to game the algo. Was Steemit designed to do that or are what we see artifacts of a flawed idea?
You have a point of view. on my own view @berniesanders on his part is a jealousy. because our lovely sexy sweetsssj must on a win win situation on her part. it's that's true @son-of-satire? just only my opinion?
I have read a few posts about @sweetsssj, it sounds like she has tons of accounts and uses @ned's delegation to upvote each, then sends all the rewards to the same Bittrex account.
Full disclosure.... I have @sweetsssj on my auto voter and have communicated with her a lot through comments on here but also I think what has been brought up is interesting as well.
In a self governance model that is transparent like this everything will be questioned for sure.
That being said I'm more on @sweetsssj 's side on this matter.
She had the resources to continue to produce content when STEEM was worth $0.07 and took a big risk in doing so. Where was I? I felt like I couldn't risk my time and was so pissed off at the platform because it seemed like something with huge potential that got drove into the ground.
In the end she seems real and like a nice person.
At the end of the day do we know everything that is going on with those accounts and who controls them? Not really. It could be friends, family, or employees.
Almost all the people on this Blockchain are looking to profit in one way or another. She has the resources and connections to make what most of us would consider to be extra ordinary income. I'm not jealous of that...... she is just on a bigger playing field at this given time.
The main thing that I think the argument carries weight is that the upvotes are coming in at the last minute which to me would indicate that she knew they would get called into question and might get flagged....etc But what if she would have just upvoted those up front? Would we have this same conversation.
All that being said I'm keeping my auto voter up for @sweetsssj at this given time but I think that everyone should make their own decision on what they want to do since different information is presented.
And no it isn't because I get her upvotes. I haven't been upvoted by her for a really long time. That is fine though....... I just look like an ADHD basement dwelling freak over on my blog.
I'm new so I'm still not fully understanding this but looks like you've got some good points. If I do understand what Bernie is saying, she's taking advantage of the system and you are saying, she's using the system optimally. I don't know the knowledge to agree or disagree with anyone yet. But if she's creating content people are reading, that's good. It's what most social media is about. Yes there are plenty of internet "stars" making good money in sponsors etc.
One of the reasons i love @berniesanders is that he always speaks for the growth of steemit and any fraudulent act or misconduct, he takes it so serious and for thes reason alone, i love what you are doing.
What this smells like, if I were a betting bot, is that these individuals are taking a similar stance to @transisto's recent defense of his involvement with the @zer0hedge account saying that cashing out SBD's is a "hedge" against prices falling, as someone who is heavily invested in SP. That in itself is an understandable position for someone to make as an investor.
These people delegating to sweetsssj in this case might be wanting to deflect the public rage onto someone who has already been seen flagrantly abusing delegations and the pool before with such behavior, so her public image can't really take a hit when it's already been destroyed, and they attempt to shield their own accounts from such accusations and save face while cashing out on the side.
Just a hypothesis. They'd probably rather be known as the cool guys who support cool things, not the people who upvote crap at the last minute to make sure their bags paid something out along the way. I can't blame them, just look at the flack sssj is taking right now.
Are the 2nd and 3rd accounts you listed even people? They're delegating out all their power and don't post anything.
Wow...how it can be recognized such action in the future? and is there any way to avoid that kind of things, sorry for such stupid question, I am really new beginner in this business @gonzo
How did she get ned's delegation in the first place/his upvote power/whatever? Just wondered because I'm not really sure how it works but I'm intrigued as to how she got to such a position
@berniesanders you should make a bot like randowhale (or make it bid based) where people can buy a flag but also have it so that delegators get a percentage of the profits received from transactions. You could also add a list of users that are blacklisted from being flagged by it (like say your accounts) or something. just an idea!
Profits is a bad term in this case since you will not be making money. Minimizing losses is probably the closest to what he meant.
The transaction that he is referring to is the buying of the flag. It would technically be a service one is buying so transaction is a proper term for it.
He could have worded it better, yes, but for you to act like he doesn't understand how this works falls on your lack of understanding what he was trying to say.
Maybe the people with large amounts of voting power might but there are some of us that do not have the voting power to fight abuse as much as we want and would be willing to use some of our SBD to actually help fight abuse.
My vote, for instance, is worth ~$0.26 (dependent on value of steem and how much is in the reward pool) and so when I see someone comment 13 times on one of my posts and each one gets upvoted to over $1 (and they are absolute spam shitposting) and I can't do anything to fight it, yeah I would pay to have that sh!t flagged.
As for transactions, a transaction doesn't cost money but buying a flag for someone elses post would definitely earn money, you know how many people I have heard talk about something like this? Asking if such a thing existed? Like I think your ~$40,000 USD account and rep of 70 has you sitting up on a high horse not realizing what its like for the little guys.
Profits recieved from transactions is if I send 1 SBD to the bot then it has a debit of 1 SBD ergo profit, say 100 people buy a flag with an average of 4 SBD a flag (400 SBD) then maybe the delegators would get say 50% of that split between them and the bot keeps the other 50% (just how randowhale and most other vote bots split it)
It is, by definition, profits. So I do not know what you are implying but I think you have a lack of understanding on how steem works.
It's very intriguing. After reading some of the comments, as well as this post regarding Steemit Wallet privacy, I don't know yet what to think. All of these issues won't even arise if we couldn't see where Steemians are transferring their money. I have friends I know who shared a Bittrex account since one of them wasn't acquainted with it and was afraid to lose his money. You know, exchanges became slow and glitchy at some point when many new users signed up. Another issue is having a fictitious name like h0x3xb33 and a picture of a b33? Then having a bulging steemit wallet? Exchanges already implement KYC. I think Steemit will also benefit from KYC (though we're not required since Steem is not a security but more of a utility) or Know Your Member policy since we deal with cryptos too.
Bernie follows you one month and I saw you found 3 or 4 members who abuse the upvote system of all, just because they have in their turn power than vote what result in the top of the page: sweersssj haejin.We have found one worse than the two above (msteemian)which puts the items copied 100 %, then invests 300-400 sbd them at the top of the page.I am little to do something but I think you know what needs to be made.Thank you so much, a good day IonutCiobanu
She's making more than that. Ten $255 votes a day, $2550 in rewards, 37.5% SBD after curation is 956,25 SBD a day + the little accounts' SP gains that can be used to vote on themselves or other posts. That's more than 5k USD a day for sure, more than 150k USD a month, more than 1.8m USD a year if Steem prices stay stable.
In a community-regulated anarchy such as Steemit, everything is justified regardless of morals. The only thing left is the question "Do we want to accept this or do we, as a community, want to not let it pass and put counter-measures?"
Exactly, that's the way the community has to regulate its environment. Maybe new ways will be introduced later, but for now, it's all we have to fight against those who break the rules we set.
how about us, minnows, beginners how can we fight back? and the safe way is to stay away from it or just ignore right?,, but it isnt right any abuse should be stop and all we can do (weaklings) is what?
I don't know, if she has the Steem power, she should be able to do what she wants with it, or else the Steemit witnesses will need to remove self-voting.
@berniesanders, where can I find an explanation of why this behaviour equates "raping the reward pool" - upvoting posts with large rewards at the last moment to try to avoid flags while raping the reward pool ... I can't wrap my head around how this works ... any link to read an explanation ?
Ok, so the key here is that it's someone who controls several accounts, right ? Have you by any chance seen my question about steem delegating large chunks of SP (10000SP+) to people seemingly at random ? Could you please do a "Sunday class" on how is this ?
Crypto are finite, unlike FIAT. There is a cap to the rewards that can be shared amongst all posts. The reward someone gets from his posts lowers when the SBD value drops or abusers do these tricks to get a bigger piece of the pie.
I don't know, in this case it looks like she's a shield for 700k delegated from others who want to cash out but have neutral to positive public images from their involvements with other projects.
Yeah i am wondering about this aswell! How can someone influence the reward pool.
Can someone explain this? Also i got a "User not found" account deleted?
Crypto are finite, unlike FIAT. There is a cap to the rewards that can be shared amongst all posts. The reward someone gets from his posts lowers when the SBD value drops or abusers do these tricks to get a bigger piece of the pie.
i just recently joined steem, although I have been following the site since it’s inception. I have watched sweetsssj from the start and she inspired myself and numerous others to join the steem community.
Her along with other hard working steemers, inspired the creation of steem marketing which is a group of marketing professionals working hard to promoting steem and helping new steem members grow. How many people here can honestly say they are working to help steem grow not just earn for themselves?
This is an individual who dedicated herself and her time to this community. As another said previous she has been doing this since steem was pennies. The quality of her posts and her amazing dedication to community engagement has not fluctuated since day one.
It’s thanks to members like her that steem is where it is at today.
She has been nothing but kind and gracious in helping others, which more than most leaving comments here today can say.
It’s this simple…. THE RULES ARE THE RULES… YOU HAVE A WINDOW of TIME TO VOTE IN! i don’t care if it’s the first minute or that last that is what the window is for.
I am very disappointed by this post and some of these childish comments. It’s actions like this that will tear this community apart and bring it to it’s demise. I really don’t want to see that happen.
Lastly I am assuming all the flagged comments are people like me with good things to say which is weak! You made your point let others do the same. Both sides should be heard here!
Yes she earns that fair in square, Its called curation. Are you accusing her of making too much money?
Maybe steem should enable a hard cap o how much money you can make, see how many people actually stay lol
If 6th day voting was wrong it wouldn't be allowed in the code.
She doesn't do anything every other big whale does, and nothing is wrong with it
Logically and ratinally, raping the rward pool ro "stealing" from the reward pool is an invalid concept
I ap[recote the effort to go and research potential problems by berniesander
i aprecioate any whale who has the intent of helping steemit ensure rewards go to the highest quality psts as possible
but if someone has steempower thats their private property and the reward pool is NOT garunteed to ANYONE else but Steempower holders.
sweetsssj p[rovides content that some may not like but MANy do and THAT is ALL that matters END OF STORY
She GETS the upvotesm she HAS the support from EARLy users BIG users who delaget her steempower who she has gotten wealthy with from the beginning fair in square hard work posting evryday curating like CRAZY upvoting ALL the ge of stem
she sits theer and UPVOTES al day CURATES a LOT and find VERY valuable users all day everyday and we cannot sit here and crab bucket dance and act like there is something wrong with her making money
she could have powered down a year ago and kept Bitcoin or ethereum and made WAY more money DUMPING steem and just pushing steem even further down, whales like her keeping steem hold steem high, they sacrifice money they COULD just make holding Bitcoin and make WAY more money but they make a TIN bit of steem in teh reward pool as conselation prize nd the minnows and plankton just complain, and its crazy, without the whales making THEIR money the DOlphins and Minnows wouldnt make ANY of their small pieces of steem, the whales make the BIG pieces and their crumbs are wht give the smaller users ANY value it IS a trickle down proof of stake system, the majority of steem isnt held by a large user base yet the majority of steem is held by a small minority and thats fine,
Dear @berniesanders, I want to ask you a question: Isn't it all a problem of how the whole system is build? I deeply respect the idea of freedom behind the blockchain and Steemit. But who can decide where the boundaries are? In some way the community takes care for itself. But it creates a lot of discussing, where noone seems to be right. They call you a communist. So trying to fight for social behaviour to some around here is the same as being a communist. When you criticize some peoples behaviour, they answer with "The system doesn't say, it's illegate to do so". Though many of us carry along a feeling of immorality regarding this behaviour. Shouldn't the system itself provide more boundaries, so people can't come up with telling us: "it is possible to do so, so I do it and there is nothing wrong about it"? Why is abusing the community possible, when it's all about being a great community? When I got something wrong, please don't flag me. Please answer my questions instead so I can learn.
Crypto are finite, unlike FIAT. There is a cap to the rewards that can be shared amongst all posts. The reward someone gets from his posts lowers when the SBD value drops or abusers do these tricks to get a bigger piece of the pie.
A communist to me is someone who wants a society by dictatorship, where everyone earns the same money. This is far away for me from criticizing when some earn much more than others because of an acting that is blind for the community and the relations in it. There are shades in between capitalism and communism.
I'm new here, but have been following crypto since 2013, to say @ackza is ignorant is a little harsh @ackza is correct in saying that @sweetsssj could have powered down at any time to invest in something else. In fact you only really want to hold shitcoins like steem when we are in a shitcoin season, or you will definitely lose money. So i don't really know what the deal is with @sweetsssj but by just holding steem over time means she has definitely contributed to it's success.
The account doesn't really hold much Steem. Most of her voting power comes from other accounts delegating to her.
She is sending the rewards from her delegated steem power to her friends and family, according to her. They according to the blockchain are mostly cashing it out.
The question at hand is "Is that good for SteemIt, or not. If it is bad, what is the solution?
Flagging you on this comment for
-abuse of your multiple sock puppet Steemit accounts used to upvote yourself
-abuse of your multiple sock puppet Steemit accounts to abusively downvote other Steemers.
-unmerited rewards
-hate speech and trolling
@sweetsssj's SP is possibly the responsibility of dudes/dudettes, maybe whales, having a thing for Asian women (not that there is anything wrong with that).
I would never argue this behavior is either beneficial to Steem, because its not, or that its ethical, because common sense seems to point otherwise.
That being said I don't know how this can be fixed, at least in a permanent more sustainable way with the way Steem works right now.
It almost seems unfair to expect a Steemian whale to use all of his/hers voting Power to combat Self Voting Abuse, because as anybody who cares to understand how the system works, there are no curation rewards for flags. Yet... in order for it to be sustainable for a Whale to combat abuse, said whale has to self vote or he/she would be doing it 100% for free. We might attempt to make an argument for moral/ethical high ground displays, but then again its also too easy for anyone who is not leaving money on the table to have "altruistic/utopian" suggestions.
To me, it makes sense the code changes once again. It may sound like a pain in the neck to think about more hard-forks to Steem, but I see no other way to this fiasco. A separate pool for flagging is the only solution I see to the problem... That way, a whale with good intentions can continue to curate good content, while also providing a lets say "cleaning" services to Steem's blockchain.
Can this lead to power abuse? Maybe, but I'm inclined to think it would level out eventually, as we have more than a few ethical people with big SP holding on the platform as well, who care what happens to Steem, but simply can't say they are going to become the Steemian Mother Theresa until the unethical behavior subsides to acceptable levels.
If there is anything we as a community should be pushing, at least in my opinion is that, a second VP for flags and maybe the implementation of Vote Negation as well.
Is there a better solution? Please somebody share, I'm willing to learn.
I had no idea you caught a flag for making sense yet again. You know, truth be told, its hard to come up with a perfect solution to these problems, to me the solution is any has to be coded.
Like you've said plenty of times code is law, if its not in the code, then there is little we can do about things we disagree with, that might be a hard pill to swallow, but it seems to be an observation more than an opinion.
There is no solution without verified identity and equal steem power for all. Then you lose decentralization for that. You csn always make another account and vote yourself that way.
I am resigned to the idea with potentially annonymous members can always have a member that acts as if this member is any number of members. I take exception to you saying I undermine the " essence of cryptocurrency" though
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I think the community needs to stop upvoting people who create such useless content. I’m sure some people like it but it’s totally ridiculous the amount of money my blog will make compared to others who literally are just using Steemit, and it’s users and algo to make bank for Instagram2.0. Don’t want/need it. Let’s break the mold not endorse its casting.
All i'm hoping for is sanity on this platform. Everyone 's got a good heart in one way or the other. I don't know @berniesanders in anywhere. I only got to hear about him in my different groups i belong to. Everyone is afraid of him there. But i have watched him closely and read between line of words, and i think he's a good, young-at-heart man and not what people see on his dp.
He believes in normacy and try as much as possible to influence a change. I won't take him for otherwise.
Neither would i condemn @son-of-satire also or others. But all i'm clamouring for is "We need sanity",Peace and an ounce of love would do.
I have been on steemit for several months and haven't earn a whooping sum that will motivate me but with the influence of my group members i keep moving. Same way a lot of my friends are still minnow despite that they write good posts.
We need strength, and you whales are our strength, and should be even though we don't have such gigantic SP as y'all do. We want to be confident to come to your blog.
Live and let live, The world expect the best from y'all.
Does she get lots of ordinary votes as well? I sometimes think noobs vote for the "big names" because they imagine they are going to get a vote back in return. Hopefully posts like this open their eyes.
While I believe abuse should not be tolerated, I think she still have many awesome posts here in steemit. I'm not sure about that for you but for me, if it's a good post, then it deserves the votes whether it was voted the last minute.
I suggest a 'Hard Fork' [As it relates to blockchain technology, a hard fork (or sometimes hardfork) is a radical change to the protocol that makes previously invalid blocks/transactions valid (or vice-versa), and as such requires all nodes or users to upgrade to the latest version of the protocol software.] I don't know if this will happen in the future. I guess it will not or maybe it will happen. It may not happen maybe because whales are already becoming more and more larger and many are already getting a lot of rewards. People behind this steem blockchain are already getting a lot of rewards, the witnesses, the bots, the investors. Check the whales here https://steemwhales.com/. All of us are getting rewards based on our (1) efforts (studying, learning, posting, curating, commenting, making connections etc.) (2) strategies (good or bad or abuse strategies which the system allows it) and (3) investments (rewards through delegation, just having huge steem, power up, delegate and receive rewards daily with X- ROI).
I have reported her twice to @steemcleaners and she kept going like it was another day as always. That's what happens when rewards can't be canceled instead of lowered.
Tanta dedicación por redactar un buen post y de hacer buenas fotografías para no ser tomado en cuenta decepciona mucho y más cuando se ven estas situaciones de que hay post bastante insignificantes.
Steemit es una estafa, los unicos que hacen plata son los que se metieron al principio. No pierdas tu tiempo aca si estas buscando hacer dinero. Consejo de amigo
Hermano estas aca hace un mes y dices algo asi? Yo he metido dinero, esfuerzo y dedicacion y me ha ido bastante bien. No desanimes a otros por tu experiencia personal. Mi recomendacion, no te metas en discuciones ni hagas posts acusando a otros hasta que no tengas suficiente reputacion para defenderte.
Saludos,
No, you estoy aca hace 2 semanas. Y eso fue tiempo suficiente para descubrir el chancherio que esta plataforma. Ella si puede hacer algo de dinero, centavos.
La unica forma de ganar es ser un tramposo cochino, estafar a la gente haciendoles creer que van a ganar plata. Mentira. Aca solo ganan los que se metieron antes. Como ella va a competir con gente que se metio anios atras y se hicieron cientos de cuentas falsas llenas de voting bots. Si tu haces dinero no es por tu contenido porque aca se hace plata con los bots. El contenido no importa.
Segundo reputacion no vale nada o sino ve berniesanders -17 no afecta en nada, claro que uno debe estar dispuesto a meter arriba de 20 mil dolares para ver algo de retornos y tener cientos de bots. Si a ti te va muy bien que bueno por ti. Pero al menos se honesto y dinos cuantos bots tienes y cuanta plata has metido. Sino solo estas jugando con las expectativas de personas que no tienen idea lo que realmente es esta plataforma
THE BID BOTTS ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!
Join steemit, do everything right and make pennys... use a bott and get flagged,while whales circle jerk and make $800 post criticizing people !
yeah this ought to make the platform popular,retain users!
I see people getting flagged by cheetabot for quoting there own post ,material from other blogs,while I make $2 on a meme and some one else steals and post's it and makes $30.... no flag or recourse ...
lol
haters going to hate ,and people are going to try and make profits,the politics of $$ and those who have it trying to limit those who don't!!!!
DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS AN $800 post!!! ????
get real!
I call BULLSHIT!!!
Oh well. I don't like the terminology. "Rape" "circle jerk" a bunch of sex obsessed people naming things here. You can flqg it if you feel it is unduly rewarded.
lol... yeah me and my 7-15 cent flag... and get flagged to neg rep for my honest opinion....no thank you! sorry I didn't come up w/ the terms ,just using the popular vernaculars... I don't like bid botts but people use them to " your term here" the reward pool! even this complaint post used a bott. do you think this is an $800 post?
Whales abuse their power and will flag anyone who is becoming too popular too fast for their own insecurity. I joined to weeks ago and made in average 400 followers per week and a whale i found abusing the reward system flag all my posts just because I call him on it and also I called him a bitch but hey this place is being sold to outsiders as a "decentralized" social media with no censorship. Bullshit, steemit may be the worst pyramidal scheme ever. It is built in the way you have to pay to win. That's why I can see this site demise in the horizon
I flagged you because spammed the introduction section with your annoying self-promotion - And after I asked you peacefully to stop, you just reacted like a mad man...
What right do you have to call me on something like that when the real problem of steemit is people who rape the reward pool like you do. No one is Saint and I think you are abusing the reward pool left and right. You have been under the radar because you write mostly in german but a quick look at your wallet and your several accounts will raise serious suspicions about your activity. You know that you upvote all your comments on one of your spam accounts I have already identified @welcoming and you know that behavior is not appreaciated in this community
If you would sharpen your detective skills a little bit, you would see two things:
overall, most of my posts are in English
@welcoming is only upvoting the comments with a small portion of voting power and only with the reason to pay for a delegation in order to be able to upvote new users bigger.
Finally, you are giving other interesting things to the public. I have been waiting for this news. it's just that I do not dare to express it, because I am afraid of my strength. Only you will unload all their tricks in steemit. I support you.
@sweetsssj SP is the responsibility of it's delegators, Who is this person and what is his motive to still delegate to her after this much apparent selective rewarding?
A quick review of these 3 account show that they are controlled by the same person. @hendrikdegrote
@systema
@temet-nosce
http://www.steemreports.com/delegation-info/?account=sweetsssj
Has anyone tried or been able to contact the person behind @hendrikdegrote to let him know how his stake is being abused?
So why don't you just flag it then, that's what the 12 hours of only downvoting are for, no?
We have already seen all this shit about sweetsssj a ton of times now. You are taking the piss if you genuinely think that the answer to this is you getting paid 500 SBD from the reward pool for telling us all something we already knew, and that we lack the power to do anything about.
You have the power. So do it silently and stop raping the reward pool. You really have no reason to. If you want legitimate reasons to post that are worthy of rewards, I have no problem giving you ideas. I have many that would be good for someone like you. I wouldn't even want anything in return other than for you to stop taking the piss with these tiny posts that are full of shit we already knew, that are milking the reward pool unnecessarily.
You've been here long enough to know that flagging is a complete waste of voting power. If I'm going to flag, you better believe I'm going to recover those lost rewards somehow.
Also, dummy, as you can see I paid for all of these votes and will likely not earn more than I spent to have this pushed to the top of trending.
bernie will you check out this post I have done on @twitternomore here: https://steemit.com/life/@barne734/twitternomore-stealing-from-the-reward-pool
Somehow this profile is able to upvote their own post with only 200 Steem power and they receive around $9 SBD, how is this possible, I have around 700 sp and can only upvote myself around $0.21 SBD?
The irony in this ...
Yeah, no kidding! So @barne734, I think you saw my comment on the other thread that it's just a sock puppet account from nextgen622, who is the one voting the twitternomore posts up.
Do you upvote a lot of things? Each time you upvote, it dilutes your future upvoting power temporarily. It's a little more complicated than this, but I think basically you recharge 20 100% upvotes each day. If you go over that, then it will take more than one day to recharge back to full upvoting power.
try 20- 100% UV/day and lmk how that works out for ya ;)
It's 11 by my calculations. But the recycle period on that would be right at 24 hours so they say 10 votes.
Doesn't upvoting someone else work the same as flagging? In that teh pool is fixed so by upvoting someone else you shift the percentage payouts?
I think the real problem on this site is that only a few people vote, most don't bother because they think their votes don't count (though they do in aggregate).
When you flag you take away from one person, when you upvote you take away from everyone. Not quite the same.
Thank you for that thorough explanation Mr. sLanders.
Maybe that's the question. How can people be encouraged to curate? My typical .001 curation rewards won't encourage it for returns, but people do it on Quora and Reddit for free because of engagement.
What's different? I really think if we had some sort of communities, it would help. The trending page is mostly crap, and if you're not interested in pumping the crypto of the day, it's boring. I've followed people who interested me, but most of them don't post that often because, you know, it's not worth it if you can't get exposure.
This! You are so on point. The barrier to getting a post worth anything for anyone’s with under 1000 SP is really going to hurt and make it so those whales are now super powerful and we need to retool the site so we can handle when YouTube and other social media start losing users to us. I think there are a lot of tweaks that would make this destination numero uno for a lot of people. But there are certainly things holding it back like the utter powerlessness of a user like me who has 500+ followers but can’t get a blog above $1 no matter what I do, what I write about, how I tag it and what time I post it. If we had groups we would have microenvironments that people could become involved in and it wouldn’t absolutely benefit the platform and all users current and future as a whole. Without a doubt. Upvoted and Followed.
Very well said have an upvote and follow me old mate
If I could ask you to take a look at my recent post titled 'Steemit: The Curation Leagues' - This is my method, I offer prizes for doing it!
That's a great effort. Thanks for contributing.
are you going to join the fun?
Thats awesome man! At what point in a New Steemian career can they even offer that type of Blog contest or prize without at least having a good followings, reps, steem dollar/power/steem etc?
So far I've fckin spent approx 40 quids in time, shuffling on steemit.
Now I've realized it's loads of sht I want my money back.
Yeah, you can't get any visibility without votes, but you can't get votes without visibility. Obviously, the company line is you have to invest to power up, get a delegation, etc. I've also heard you had to produce qualify content, and that would certainly help, but judging by the trending page, it doesn't ALWAYS appear to be a requirement.
Seriously, you can get some traction without that by engaging with communities and promoting your work, but it's very tough because it takes a lot of skill, improvement, and endurance. That's why there are so many inactive users.
Anyway, I just throw a bit out here and there and hope that in a year or two the ship's still floating, and my account will be worth more. It's no get-quick-rich platform unless you enter into it funded with either money or a large base of followers.
This isn't necessarily a total criticism. My daddy always used to warn me that the world did not revolve around me. I'm just saying that people need to have the right expectations.
Beautifully said. I am in that slow riding boat. I can see the trend that people who have a good following from youtube can make it good on steemit. Hence why Im gonna start doing more parody skits on youtube in the long run in hopes of building a fan base. Its gonna take a lot of work and time. I will do it for fun or else I will feel burnt out when I see no quick progress. It should not be a get rich quick gimmick, here on steemit or on youtube.
So when you say that you will recover those lost rewards, what does that mean?
Sweetsssj appears to be recovering her lost rewards by upvoting accounts that cash out to the same account as she does, and I understand fully why you find this repulsive, because seems not just greedy, but also deceptive. But, at the end of the day, she's trying to recoup losses to inflation that this platform imposes on all STEEM holders.
So, what's your method of keeping those rewards for yourself, and what makes your method morally superior to hers?
And, if it is morally superior, why aren't you just teaching her to do it your way instead?
You could promote instead of self-voting if you want visibility.
We could make votes go down in value as posts age so day one votes at 100% are worth 100% but a last minute day six vote at 100% is only worth say 20%.
Dang Bernie. You are on a crusade. I couldnt help but laugh when you called "son of satire" dummy. Simple non expletive language. I like. I know you are against people like haijin and trevonj. Saw an old post where you flagged Dollarvigilante. I know I will be a whale one day. How do I give back to the community and not become a greedy son of a gun?
Recover this!
I do not consider the removal of rewards from abusers and the redistributing of reward funds to the rest of the community as a waste of voting power. Much to the contrary, I consider it the responsibility of high SP accounts such as yourself.
You have already recovered the rewards a million times over through selling your voting power that you are supposed to be using to reward quality content(and that you are still receiving curation rewards on your sold votes for doing so).
Also, you paid for these votes? I would have thought you had been here long enough to know that I am not as shortsighted as your average Steemit user. Yes, you might have paid for them. But you also sold them. So you bought them from yourself, meaning that you will earn;
So, remind me again. What exactly did you pay?
That was rhetorical. I don't care for a wasteful back and forth. I want only for you to make an attempt to overcome your fear. It is clear you are afraid of looking as though you have lost; you are afraid of losing what you have accumulated; and you are afraid of not being the biggest fish in the pond forever.
It's time to grow up, Bernie. I know you are not half the cunt you purport yourself to be. When you are ready to challenge yourself, as a man does, and see if you can still be a winner without having to cheat, and perpetuate an economy of losers, then I will do, as a man does, and put all the bullshit you have done behind me and offer you my support to help you achieve that end.
Some of us have been in this space together for a long time now. Love it or hate it, we have become somewhat of a family, and STEEM our child that we are raising in the wrong fucking way. If we don't stop projecting the worst parts of us onto our baby, in its infancy, then I can assure you that what we raise into the world will be monstrous. I speak to a decade or two in the future in this instance, and I mean every word. Much like a natural child will be greatly impacted by events in their earliest years, so too will this network we call STEEM. If we start approving of shit that we should not right now, in a couple of years it will be the norm and there will be a far more abusive things going on that we are questioning; and so on and so forth until the very notion of community has been defeated.
However, if we can summon the courage to take a step forward and decide that we are going to try and do this the right way, and see if we can still achieve what we want, then perhaps the abuse that is stomped out in these early days will set a strong principle that will lead STEEM to a place of usefulness and benefit to the society of the future. Instead of just more of the fucking same.
The ONLY bot of my own that I used was @randowhale. The rest of the large votes on this post are NOT my bots.
I didn't read past that because I'm assuming it's pure bullshit just like the beginning of your ignorant rant. You need to get a clue, right now you haven't got one.
Don't attempt to obfuscate the issue. @randowhale may or may not be the only bot of yours that has upvoted this post, but several of your other accounts have. Also, I have seen no evidence that you are not transisto, and so for all I know they're fucking all you.
But either way it does not matter. I have said my piece, and I won't keep giving you more excuses to rape the reward pool via comment upvotes.
Also, we all know you read it. And your electing to pretend you did not only highlights my point. It is time to grow up, Bernie. And that means start living up to the responsibilities that come with being a highly influential member of an economy that determines the well-being of (soon)millions-- and their families.
I'm going to grow up by making sure nobody sees the bullshit lies you are spreading, to start.
Thank you for the flags. They were very informative.
Also; feel free to quote me on one of these lies you speak of. I doubt you shall find one.
Well you guys are having a swell time going on each other like. Well @son-of-satire I want you to know that I need help in what form.
I am afraid I do not understand. Can you elaborate?
The squeaky wheel right? I value people pointing it out. We need people that will take abuse to express their speech especially in order to highlight issues in Steemit. We all want this to be a fair place so I have no issue with this post especially if there was time put in to research and not taking drone pictures of a beach and the luxury resort you are at paid for by pointless blogs. It leaves a bad taste. On that I will always agree and the community needs to stop pushing these single posts so high with SP delegation. Maybe the delegation is turning out to be too easy to use to game the algo. Was Steemit designed to do that or are what we see artifacts of a flawed idea?
A good one here
You have a point of view. on my own view @berniesanders on his part is a jealousy. because our lovely sexy sweetsssj must on a win win situation on her part. it's that's true @son-of-satire? just only my opinion?
I have read a few posts about @sweetsssj, it sounds like she has tons of accounts and uses @ned's delegation to upvote each, then sends all the rewards to the same Bittrex account.
The @ned delegation was canceled on october 24th 2017
https://steemd.com/tx/29bd56a79d4f7843a632f4e4ec8178b42fd7ac31
Currently @sweetsssj has delegations of
351265 SP from @hendrikdegrote
301294 SP from @systema and
108270 SP from @temet-nosce
http://www.steemreports.com/delegation-info/?account=sweetsssj
The Real Slim Shady
Source
Source of comment: https://steemd.com/tx/cd26de02723f7d1b7c5f6be0d738718856610741
https://steemit.com/steemit/@walden/sweetsssj-sixth-day-eleventh-hour-selfvoting-via-a-13-account-content-farm
Thanks for the info, I didn't realize @ned ended the delegation.
Nice meme XD
Full disclosure.... I have @sweetsssj on my auto voter and have communicated with her a lot through comments on here but also I think what has been brought up is interesting as well.
In a self governance model that is transparent like this everything will be questioned for sure.
That being said I'm more on @sweetsssj 's side on this matter.
She had the resources to continue to produce content when STEEM was worth $0.07 and took a big risk in doing so. Where was I? I felt like I couldn't risk my time and was so pissed off at the platform because it seemed like something with huge potential that got drove into the ground.
In the end she seems real and like a nice person.
At the end of the day do we know everything that is going on with those accounts and who controls them? Not really. It could be friends, family, or employees.
Almost all the people on this Blockchain are looking to profit in one way or another. She has the resources and connections to make what most of us would consider to be extra ordinary income. I'm not jealous of that...... she is just on a bigger playing field at this given time.
The main thing that I think the argument carries weight is that the upvotes are coming in at the last minute which to me would indicate that she knew they would get called into question and might get flagged....etc But what if she would have just upvoted those up front? Would we have this same conversation.
All that being said I'm keeping my auto voter up for @sweetsssj at this given time but I think that everyone should make their own decision on what they want to do since different information is presented.
And no it isn't because I get her upvotes. I haven't been upvoted by her for a really long time. That is fine though....... I just look like an ADHD basement dwelling freak over on my blog.
Ned never ate with me. :_(
Well reasoned and rational response. I wonder when it will get flagged.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck
Tasting gives a more reliable result.
I'm new so I'm still not fully understanding this but looks like you've got some good points. If I do understand what Bernie is saying, she's taking advantage of the system and you are saying, she's using the system optimally. I don't know the knowledge to agree or disagree with anyone yet. But if she's creating content people are reading, that's good. It's what most social media is about. Yes there are plenty of internet "stars" making good money in sponsors etc.
So could someone contact the others who have delegated steem power to her and ask them to withdraw the delegation?
One of the reasons i love @berniesanders is that he always speaks for the growth of steemit and any fraudulent act or misconduct, he takes it so serious and for thes reason alone, i love what you are doing.
Lol. Ignorant sycophant.
Even if they lower the time period within which you can vote, the abusers will just lower the timing of the votes as well.
What this smells like, if I were a betting bot, is that these individuals are taking a similar stance to @transisto's recent defense of his involvement with the @zer0hedge account saying that cashing out SBD's is a "hedge" against prices falling, as someone who is heavily invested in SP. That in itself is an understandable position for someone to make as an investor.
These people delegating to sweetsssj in this case might be wanting to deflect the public rage onto someone who has already been seen flagrantly abusing delegations and the pool before with such behavior, so her public image can't really take a hit when it's already been destroyed, and they attempt to shield their own accounts from such accusations and save face while cashing out on the side.
Just a hypothesis. They'd probably rather be known as the cool guys who support cool things, not the people who upvote crap at the last minute to make sure their bags paid something out along the way. I can't blame them, just look at the flack sssj is taking right now.
Are the 2nd and 3rd accounts you listed even people? They're delegating out all their power and don't post anything.
Thank you for the post , very good
Always knew there was something shady behind the One Inch Make up Face.
What does using @ned do? Do a bunch of botts just upvote those? I read her posts and they're well written ...
Wow...how it can be recognized such action in the future? and is there any way to avoid that kind of things, sorry for such stupid question, I am really new beginner in this business @gonzo
I'm not exactly sure what you're asking, but the best way to avoid it, is to never click on @sweetsssj's posts.
Seriously, there are some things that you just can't unsee!
Ha ha!
How did she get ned's delegation in the first place/his upvote power/whatever? Just wondered because I'm not really sure how it works but I'm intrigued as to how she got to such a position
Well Ned visited her once.... sweetssj must be very sweet if you get my drift.
Spicyyyy
you can buy bots to upvote your posts.
I didn't realise you could do it to that degree! Thanks for the insight
She didn't buy it. She got ned's delegation via ned.
Oh okay! Thanks for the info!
now, that is working the system to its full potential. dang!
That is clever of @sweetssj
beautiful picture of a girl I like
@berniesanders you should make a bot like randowhale (or make it bid based) where people can buy a flag but also have it so that delegators get a percentage of the profits received from transactions. You could also add a list of users that are blacklisted from being flagged by it (like say your accounts) or something. just an idea!
I'm considering going that route, I've been hesitant to up to this point but we're almost there.
I had thought about doing it but I do not have the infrastructure in order to run it and have a constant uptime etc.
Please make the Flagging bot so at least new users can pay back whales who are abusing their power. I for one have a few on my list
Flagging this reply:
-abuse of your multiple sock puppet Steemit accounts used to upvote yourself
-unmerited rewards that you upvoted to yourself
No one would use this bot. It literally burns money.
What profits would there be? Transactions? Do you understand how any of this works?
Profits is a bad term in this case since you will not be making money. Minimizing losses is probably the closest to what he meant.
The transaction that he is referring to is the buying of the flag. It would technically be a service one is buying so transaction is a proper term for it.
He could have worded it better, yes, but for you to act like he doesn't understand how this works falls on your lack of understanding what he was trying to say.
Maybe the people with large amounts of voting power might but there are some of us that do not have the voting power to fight abuse as much as we want and would be willing to use some of our SBD to actually help fight abuse.
My vote, for instance, is worth ~$0.26 (dependent on value of steem and how much is in the reward pool) and so when I see someone comment 13 times on one of my posts and each one gets upvoted to over $1 (and they are absolute spam shitposting) and I can't do anything to fight it, yeah I would pay to have that sh!t flagged.
As for transactions, a transaction doesn't cost money but buying a flag for someone elses post would definitely earn money, you know how many people I have heard talk about something like this? Asking if such a thing existed? Like I think your ~$40,000 USD account and rep of 70 has you sitting up on a high horse not realizing what its like for the little guys.
Profits recieved from transactions is if I send 1 SBD to the bot then it has a debit of 1 SBD ergo profit, say 100 people buy a flag with an average of 4 SBD a flag (400 SBD) then maybe the delegators would get say 50% of that split between them and the bot keeps the other 50% (just how randowhale and most other vote bots split it)
It is, by definition, profits. So I do not know what you are implying but I think you have a lack of understanding on how steem works.
It's very intriguing. After reading some of the comments, as well as this post regarding Steemit Wallet privacy, I don't know yet what to think. All of these issues won't even arise if we couldn't see where Steemians are transferring their money. I have friends I know who shared a Bittrex account since one of them wasn't acquainted with it and was afraid to lose his money. You know, exchanges became slow and glitchy at some point when many new users signed up. Another issue is having a fictitious name like h0x3xb33 and a picture of a b33? Then having a bulging steemit wallet? Exchanges already implement KYC. I think Steemit will also benefit from KYC (though we're not required since Steem is not a security but more of a utility) or Know Your Member policy since we deal with cryptos too.
because it's money left at the table. A good business person will pick up every penny they can.
https://steemit.com/@trendylife
https://steemit.com/@honeybee
https://www.mspsteem.com/@michaelleeld
https://steemit.com/@helgachen
Fun to be SweetSJJsJSJSJj
Just please don’t tell me sweeetssj is a man. My feels....
It could very well be a male editor writing all of the stories for her.
Here's an interesting thread on a similar subject.
We don't know, but she loves asian models.
Really, she upvote @agab , who post only models with instagram links.
See her comment
Prove of my words is my post link to post which was flagged
Irrelevant what she's into.
Why? I show that she loves models. It's really correlate with man joke
Bernie follows you one month and I saw you found 3 or 4 members who abuse the upvote system of all, just because they have in their turn power than vote what result in the top of the page: sweersssj haejin.We have found one worse than the two above (msteemian)which puts the items copied 100 %, then invests 300-400 sbd them at the top of the page.I am little to do something but I think you know what needs to be made.Thank you so much, a good day IonutCiobanu
Yeah they just posted today and upvoted that sucker huge. Big gamble. That is a little different, they didn't vote at the last second.
Here's the official list of Deli's for the @sweetsssj account, via screenshot:
I left the url on it so you can verify, heck here's a clickable link ;)
@sweetsssj delegators
Its strange how some people ignore the logic just because they believe what they like to believe and ignore the truth
NO rappers pls!
STEEMIT VIRTUAL GOVERNANCE TAX PROPOSAL
BENEFITS:
Isn't that the Asian chick who used to make like a $1,000 a day on here?
She's making more than that. Ten $255 votes a day, $2550 in rewards, 37.5% SBD after curation is 956,25 SBD a day + the little accounts' SP gains that can be used to vote on themselves or other posts. That's more than 5k USD a day for sure, more than 150k USD a month, more than 1.8m USD a year if Steem prices stay stable.
Holy shit, that's a lot of bread... is it all justified?
In a community-regulated anarchy such as Steemit, everything is justified regardless of morals. The only thing left is the question "Do we want to accept this or do we, as a community, want to not let it pass and put counter-measures?"
This is supposed to be a free and unregulated community, so I say just let the people decide via their flags and votes.
Exactly, that's the way the community has to regulate its environment. Maybe new ways will be introduced later, but for now, it's all we have to fight against those who break the rules we set.
how about us, minnows, beginners how can we fight back? and the safe way is to stay away from it or just ignore right?,, but it isnt right any abuse should be stop and all we can do (weaklings) is what?
In a community regulated anarchy such as Steemit we already HAVE the controls... ;)
it's allowed but that does not make it legal or fair
I don't know, if she has the Steem power, she should be able to do what she wants with it, or else the Steemit witnesses will need to remove self-voting.
we should simply ignore it
@berniesanders, where can I find an explanation of why this behaviour equates "raping the reward pool" - upvoting posts with large rewards at the last moment to try to avoid flags while raping the reward pool ... I can't wrap my head around how this works ... any link to read an explanation ?
There's not much to understand, she is voting at the last minute to try to hide the large amounts she is rewarding to (likely) her own sill accounts.
Then maybe having some kind of sufficient KYC to prevent shill accounts would help here ?
Ok, so the key here is that it's someone who controls several accounts, right ? Have you by any chance seen my question about steem delegating large chunks of SP (10000SP+) to people seemingly at random ? Could you please do a "Sunday class" on how is this ?
Crypto are finite, unlike FIAT. There is a cap to the rewards that can be shared amongst all posts. The reward someone gets from his posts lowers when the SBD value drops or abusers do these tricks to get a bigger piece of the pie.
I think you've mistaken this for a classroom.
I don't know, in this case it looks like she's a shield for 700k delegated from others who want to cash out but have neutral to positive public images from their involvements with other projects.
Is there any way to counteract their actions, and how can an army defend bad practices? Thanks...
There is no way so far, since Steemit is not supposed to be regulated. It's like the wild west where the cunning and the bold get on top of things.
Flagging your reply for
-abuse of your multiple sock puppet Steemit accounts used to upvote yourself and unmerited payout.
Yeah i am wondering about this aswell! How can someone influence the reward pool.
Can someone explain this? Also i got a "User not found" account deleted?
Crypto are finite, unlike FIAT. There is a cap to the rewards that can be shared amongst all posts. The reward someone gets from his posts lowers when the SBD value drops or abusers do these tricks to get a bigger piece of the pie.
Thank you for clearing that up!
i just recently joined steem, although I have been following the site since it’s inception. I have watched sweetsssj from the start and she inspired myself and numerous others to join the steem community.
Her along with other hard working steemers, inspired the creation of steem marketing which is a group of marketing professionals working hard to promoting steem and helping new steem members grow. How many people here can honestly say they are working to help steem grow not just earn for themselves?
This is an individual who dedicated herself and her time to this community. As another said previous she has been doing this since steem was pennies. The quality of her posts and her amazing dedication to community engagement has not fluctuated since day one.
It’s thanks to members like her that steem is where it is at today.
She has been nothing but kind and gracious in helping others, which more than most leaving comments here today can say.
It’s this simple…. THE RULES ARE THE RULES… YOU HAVE A WINDOW of TIME TO VOTE IN! i don’t care if it’s the first minute or that last that is what the window is for.
I am very disappointed by this post and some of these childish comments. It’s actions like this that will tear this community apart and bring it to it’s demise. I really don’t want to see that happen.
Lastly I am assuming all the flagged comments are people like me with good things to say which is weak! You made your point let others do the same. Both sides should be heard here!
Holy shit. $805 SP in curation awards last week. WOW
Yes she earns that fair in square, Its called curation. Are you accusing her of making too much money?
Maybe steem should enable a hard cap o how much money you can make, see how many people actually stay lol
If 6th day voting was wrong it wouldn't be allowed in the code.
She doesn't do anything every other big whale does, and nothing is wrong with it
There is no such thing as @reward pool rape
ask @inertia
Logically and ratinally, raping the rward pool ro "stealing" from the reward pool is an invalid concept
I ap[recote the effort to go and research potential problems by berniesander
i aprecioate any whale who has the intent of helping steemit ensure rewards go to the highest quality psts as possible
but if someone has steempower thats their private property and the reward pool is NOT garunteed to ANYONE else but Steempower holders.
sweetsssj p[rovides content that some may not like but MANy do and THAT is ALL that matters END OF STORY
She GETS the upvotesm she HAS the support from EARLy users BIG users who delaget her steempower who she has gotten wealthy with from the beginning fair in square hard work posting evryday curating like CRAZY upvoting ALL the ge of stem
she sits theer and UPVOTES al day CURATES a LOT and find VERY valuable users all day everyday and we cannot sit here and crab bucket dance and act like there is something wrong with her making money
she could have powered down a year ago and kept Bitcoin or ethereum and made WAY more money DUMPING steem and just pushing steem even further down, whales like her keeping steem hold steem high, they sacrifice money they COULD just make holding Bitcoin and make WAY more money but they make a TIN bit of steem in teh reward pool as conselation prize nd the minnows and plankton just complain, and its crazy, without the whales making THEIR money the DOlphins and Minnows wouldnt make ANY of their small pieces of steem, the whales make the BIG pieces and their crumbs are wht give the smaller users ANY value it IS a trickle down proof of stake system, the majority of steem isnt held by a large user base yet the majority of steem is held by a small minority and thats fine,
Another ignorant sheep...
Go back to school for a real education ya moron. Nobody is going to read bullshit ramblings with 0 punctuation and grammar of a 10 year old.
Dear @berniesanders, I want to ask you a question: Isn't it all a problem of how the whole system is build? I deeply respect the idea of freedom behind the blockchain and Steemit. But who can decide where the boundaries are? In some way the community takes care for itself. But it creates a lot of discussing, where noone seems to be right. They call you a communist. So trying to fight for social behaviour to some around here is the same as being a communist. When you criticize some peoples behaviour, they answer with "The system doesn't say, it's illegate to do so". Though many of us carry along a feeling of immorality regarding this behaviour. Shouldn't the system itself provide more boundaries, so people can't come up with telling us: "it is possible to do so, so I do it and there is nothing wrong about it"? Why is abusing the community possible, when it's all about being a great community? When I got something wrong, please don't flag me. Please answer my questions instead so I can learn.
Crypto are finite, unlike FIAT. There is a cap to the rewards that can be shared amongst all posts. The reward someone gets from his posts lowers when the SBD value drops or abusers do these tricks to get a bigger piece of the pie.
I know. My question of how this is possible was meant rethorical. By the way: how often did you make this comment???
"They call you a communist. "
Because he is one by definition. If you use a term like "XXXX is making too much", you are pretty much a communist.
A communist to me is someone who wants a society by dictatorship, where everyone earns the same money. This is far away for me from criticizing when some earn much more than others because of an acting that is blind for the community and the relations in it. There are shades in between capitalism and communism.
I'm new here, but have been following crypto since 2013, to say @ackza is ignorant is a little harsh @ackza is correct in saying that @sweetsssj could have powered down at any time to invest in something else. In fact you only really want to hold shitcoins like steem when we are in a shitcoin season, or you will definitely lose money. So i don't really know what the deal is with @sweetsssj but by just holding steem over time means she has definitely contributed to it's success.
The account doesn't really hold much Steem. Most of her voting power comes from other accounts delegating to her.
She is sending the rewards from her delegated steem power to her friends and family, according to her. They according to the blockchain are mostly cashing it out.
The question at hand is "Is that good for SteemIt, or not. If it is bad, what is the solution?
Flagging you on this comment for
-abuse of your multiple sock puppet Steemit accounts used to upvote yourself
-abuse of your multiple sock puppet Steemit accounts to abusively downvote other Steemers.
-unmerited rewards
-hate speech and trolling
@sweetsssj's SP is possibly the responsibility of dudes/dudettes, maybe whales, having a thing for Asian women (not that there is anything wrong with that).
I don't know what are they doing. @sweetsssj and @ned is our sinior and Newbies have much to learn from them. If they abuse what will learn newbies?
Fuck that bitch.. nobody cares about her trash life anyway
wow that escalated quickly
I’d upvote if she posted nudes tho..
I would never argue this behavior is either beneficial to Steem, because its not, or that its ethical, because common sense seems to point otherwise.
That being said I don't know how this can be fixed, at least in a permanent more sustainable way with the way Steem works right now.
It almost seems unfair to expect a Steemian whale to use all of his/hers voting Power to combat Self Voting Abuse, because as anybody who cares to understand how the system works, there are no curation rewards for flags. Yet... in order for it to be sustainable for a Whale to combat abuse, said whale has to self vote or he/she would be doing it 100% for free. We might attempt to make an argument for moral/ethical high ground displays, but then again its also too easy for anyone who is not leaving money on the table to have "altruistic/utopian" suggestions.
To me, it makes sense the code changes once again. It may sound like a pain in the neck to think about more hard-forks to Steem, but I see no other way to this fiasco. A separate pool for flagging is the only solution I see to the problem... That way, a whale with good intentions can continue to curate good content, while also providing a lets say "cleaning" services to Steem's blockchain.
Can this lead to power abuse? Maybe, but I'm inclined to think it would level out eventually, as we have more than a few ethical people with big SP holding on the platform as well, who care what happens to Steem, but simply can't say they are going to become the Steemian Mother Theresa until the unethical behavior subsides to acceptable levels.
If there is anything we as a community should be pushing, at least in my opinion is that, a second VP for flags and maybe the implementation of Vote Negation as well.
Is there a better solution? Please somebody share, I'm willing to learn.
"It almost seems unfair to expect a Steemian whale to use all of his/hers voting Power to combat Self Voting "
Doing so is just a reverse form of communism, where only the "rich" have to pay the price for the proletariat.
"A separate pool for flagging is the only solution I see to the problem..."
I've noticed this hasn't been very popular the several times I suggested it. It literally got me flagged by the supposed anti-abusers.
I had no idea you caught a flag for making sense yet again. You know, truth be told, its hard to come up with a perfect solution to these problems, to me the solution is any has to be coded.
Like you've said plenty of times code is law, if its not in the code, then there is little we can do about things we disagree with, that might be a hard pill to swallow, but it seems to be an observation more than an opinion.
There is no solution without verified identity and equal steem power for all. Then you lose decentralization for that. You csn always make another account and vote yourself that way.
I am resigned to the idea with potentially annonymous members can always have a member that acts as if this member is any number of members. I take exception to you saying I undermine the " essence of cryptocurrency" though
So sign up 100 times? Oh yeah with identity that would prevent that. A Steem limit and identity.
thanks for sharing
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I think the community needs to stop upvoting people who create such useless content. I’m sure some people like it but it’s totally ridiculous the amount of money my blog will make compared to others who literally are just using Steemit, and it’s users and algo to make bank for Instagram2.0. Don’t want/need it. Let’s break the mold not endorse its casting.
agree with you
I have to agree with you for once, maybe these bots are not so great a bit of a double edge blade some might say...
This has nothing to do with bots, this is just trying to hide last minute reward pool rape.
It looks like there is something inherently wrong with these vote bidding bots maybe you should look at them as the problem...
Pleas check this spamer @infa too!
All i'm hoping for is sanity on this platform. Everyone 's got a good heart in one way or the other. I don't know @berniesanders in anywhere. I only got to hear about him in my different groups i belong to. Everyone is afraid of him there. But i have watched him closely and read between line of words, and i think he's a good, young-at-heart man and not what people see on his dp.
He believes in normacy and try as much as possible to influence a change. I won't take him for otherwise.
Neither would i condemn @son-of-satire also or others. But all i'm clamouring for is "We need sanity",Peace and an ounce of love would do.
I have been on steemit for several months and haven't earn a whooping sum that will motivate me but with the influence of my group members i keep moving. Same way a lot of my friends are still minnow despite that they write good posts.
We need strength, and you whales are our strength, and should be even though we don't have such gigantic SP as y'all do. We want to be confident to come to your blog.
Live and let live, The world expect the best from y'all.
Help us to grow.
We love you all.
On behalf of my team and I.
Does she get lots of ordinary votes as well? I sometimes think noobs vote for the "big names" because they imagine they are going to get a vote back in return. Hopefully posts like this open their eyes.
While I believe abuse should not be tolerated, I think she still have many awesome posts here in steemit. I'm not sure about that for you but for me, if it's a good post, then it deserves the votes whether it was voted the last minute.
I mean it is her right to upvote whoever and whenever she likes.
I knew somebody was gonna come out with this revelation someday.
I've been monitoring and following this up using different steemit tools since way back and it's always worrisome when I see it and think about it.
Hopefully, something will be done about this.
But then if nothing is done, I'll just take it like one of those things we see in the world.
I'm talking about - The more you look, the less you see
And oh! @turbot has been reporting this abuses everytime.
turbot will stop reporting it, official account is abusereports.
I suggest a 'Hard Fork' [As it relates to blockchain technology, a hard fork (or sometimes hardfork) is a radical change to the protocol that makes previously invalid blocks/transactions valid (or vice-versa), and as such requires all nodes or users to upgrade to the latest version of the protocol software.] I don't know if this will happen in the future. I guess it will not or maybe it will happen. It may not happen maybe because whales are already becoming more and more larger and many are already getting a lot of rewards. People behind this steem blockchain are already getting a lot of rewards, the witnesses, the bots, the investors. Check the whales here https://steemwhales.com/. All of us are getting rewards based on our (1) efforts (studying, learning, posting, curating, commenting, making connections etc.) (2) strategies (good or bad or abuse strategies which the system allows it) and (3) investments (rewards through delegation, just having huge steem, power up, delegate and receive rewards daily with X- ROI).
Lastly, I guess we need to love each other!
How to do ?
I have reported her twice to @steemcleaners and she kept going like it was another day as always. That's what happens when rewards can't be canceled instead of lowered.
steemcleaners are biased and will never do anything against whales, they clean droplets of water while the floor is full of shit
@berniesanders you are doing a great job to find the scammers best of luck.and keep your work up.
Tanta dedicación por redactar un buen post y de hacer buenas fotografías para no ser tomado en cuenta decepciona mucho y más cuando se ven estas situaciones de que hay post bastante insignificantes.
No creo sea estafa.se que ayuda a muchas personas, solo que a veces no es justo con las votaciones.
Steemit es una estafa, los unicos que hacen plata son los que se metieron al principio. No pierdas tu tiempo aca si estas buscando hacer dinero. Consejo de amigo
Hermano estas aca hace un mes y dices algo asi? Yo he metido dinero, esfuerzo y dedicacion y me ha ido bastante bien. No desanimes a otros por tu experiencia personal. Mi recomendacion, no te metas en discuciones ni hagas posts acusando a otros hasta que no tengas suficiente reputacion para defenderte.
Saludos,
No, you estoy aca hace 2 semanas. Y eso fue tiempo suficiente para descubrir el chancherio que esta plataforma. Ella si puede hacer algo de dinero, centavos.
La unica forma de ganar es ser un tramposo cochino, estafar a la gente haciendoles creer que van a ganar plata. Mentira. Aca solo ganan los que se metieron antes. Como ella va a competir con gente que se metio anios atras y se hicieron cientos de cuentas falsas llenas de voting bots. Si tu haces dinero no es por tu contenido porque aca se hace plata con los bots. El contenido no importa.
Segundo reputacion no vale nada o sino ve berniesanders -17 no afecta en nada, claro que uno debe estar dispuesto a meter arriba de 20 mil dolares para ver algo de retornos y tener cientos de bots. Si a ti te va muy bien que bueno por ti. Pero al menos se honesto y dinos cuantos bots tienes y cuanta plata has metido. Sino solo estas jugando con las expectativas de personas que no tienen idea lo que realmente es esta plataforma
Get 'em Bernie
Is there's too many e's in your @ ?
This is some serious allegation. Hmmm
Please stop raping the reward pool!!!
Wow... are you sure about this?
god news, bad news?
THE BID BOTTS ARE THE PROBLEM!!!!
Join steemit, do everything right and make pennys... use a bott and get flagged,while whales circle jerk and make $800 post criticizing people !
yeah this ought to make the platform popular,retain users!
I see people getting flagged by cheetabot for quoting there own post ,material from other blogs,while I make $2 on a meme and some one else steals and post's it and makes $30.... no flag or recourse ...
lol
haters going to hate ,and people are going to try and make profits,the politics of $$ and those who have it trying to limit those who don't!!!!
DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS AN $800 post!!! ????
get real!
I call BULLSHIT!!!
Oh well. I don't like the terminology. "Rape" "circle jerk" a bunch of sex obsessed people naming things here. You can flqg it if you feel it is unduly rewarded.
lol... yeah me and my 7-15 cent flag... and get flagged to neg rep for my honest opinion....no thank you! sorry I didn't come up w/ the terms ,just using the popular vernaculars... I don't like bid botts but people use them to " your term here" the reward pool! even this complaint post used a bott. do you think this is an $800 post?
Whales abuse their power and will flag anyone who is becoming too popular too fast for their own insecurity. I joined to weeks ago and made in average 400 followers per week and a whale i found abusing the reward system flag all my posts just because I call him on it and also I called him a bitch but hey this place is being sold to outsiders as a "decentralized" social media with no censorship. Bullshit, steemit may be the worst pyramidal scheme ever. It is built in the way you have to pay to win. That's why I can see this site demise in the horizon
I flagged you because spammed the introduction section with your annoying self-promotion - And after I asked you peacefully to stop, you just reacted like a mad man...
What right do you have to call me on something like that when the real problem of steemit is people who rape the reward pool like you do. No one is Saint and I think you are abusing the reward pool left and right. You have been under the radar because you write mostly in german but a quick look at your wallet and your several accounts will raise serious suspicions about your activity. You know that you upvote all your comments on one of your spam accounts I have already identified @welcoming and you know that behavior is not appreaciated in this community
If you would sharpen your detective skills a little bit, you would see two things:
why don't you leave steemit then? You looked through it and there is no reason for staying right?
Are you sure about this
Your reputation score! why its to much low means in negative ??? but you are still doing good
reputation means nothing if you can buy hundred thousands of dollars in steem power
wow if this is accurate its so shocking....
and i liked her! just hope it ain't......
fingers crossed!...
Thanks @berniesanders for the information
Finally, you are giving other interesting things to the public. I have been waiting for this news. it's just that I do not dare to express it, because I am afraid of my strength. Only you will unload all their tricks in steemit. I support you.
"Beggars just beg for beggars."