You know what? I believe you already despite not verifying that and knowing how to search for the truth like contacting someone that can possibly prove you're wrong.
I've long thought we could do with some sort of decentralised account verification, something like Keybase provided. Need something that can automatically verify some links we provide point at our Hive account. Hivewatchers have their verification, but it requires manual checking. Just having a trustworthy 'verified' mark on accounts would be worth a lot.
The vouching system is the most simplified form of decentralized verification. Seeing a lot of loopholes can be used against this system it really baffles me how dumb fucks would freely give their info on centralized social media platform to conform vs decentralized platforms where steps to verify can be done in minutes without a drama. Really lacking the proof of brain here.
It would be as simple as creating a bot for D.Buzz to see if the user on Hive is indeed the same user as another platform by checking if they have placed a required word (such as "Hive" or their Hive username). 🤨
If verification is "opt-in" like @steevc mentioned, what will happen to those who still don't want to verify despite it being voluntary? 🤔
How about those users who don't have any account in any other platform, such that they won't be able to get a verified tick? 🤔 If users upvote more on "verified" Hive accounts, then Hive users without accounts in other platforms won't be able to verify, and so they will get less votes, despite all their efforts put on Hive. 🤨
Do you think I was harassing a user when I asked them to make a reply on their other social media account like the case mentioned above? The guy clearly faked their profile and it only took me soem conversation off platform to see if they got hive written or know about it. @jeffjagoe disagrees as in his world there's no need for ways to verify users even in decentralized platforms. He gave his private info on centralized platforms freely so why does it become an issue if done on decentralized where you only need to put the word Hive as a requirement?
Yeah mostly that beef you got up is with HW and not necessarily my own case where I just want to see if the one I'm voting at is real or not. I agree that some areas need to be worked out. Still can't believe that some just can't be bothered to respond cross platform over a trivial task such as confirming if they own the account or not.
So my complaints are not really toward you, but more toward the #HW's system, of doing the three things I mentioned in my prior reply.
Posted via Blog | D.BuzzLarge influencers who have 1 million users+ will not appreciate users from #HIVE telling them to manually verify their identity.
So my complaints are not really toward you, but more toward the #HW's system, of doing the three things I mentioned in my prior reply.
Posted via Blog | D.BuzzLarge influencers who have 1 million users+ will not appreciate users from #HIVE telling them to manually verify their identity.
I get the part where HW has bad PR when it comes to verifications. Not going to argue there. The argument was do we need verifications or not? It doesn't matter whether they post cross platform, I just want to know if the person I am voting for is the same person on the other side reposting content. For those users who refused to opt in, would that mean they get less votes? Nah, they would still get curated by unsuspecting users as it happens and will be common when the platform gets further growth. @eloy-drawing refused further communications when they knew I was contacting the real one on instagram. The eloy case is a classic user that steals content from an unsuspecting creator. They would less likely try to opt in for verification but still get rogue votes while they continue their streak.
You would actually be doing a favor to those "large influencers" if you let them know that there is a plagiarist (on Hive or somewhere else) who steals their content and profit off them at the owners' expense. 🤨😑
@steevc did not mention anything about free speech or censorship. 🤨 He simply commented about the need of Hive users to have their Hive account verified (matches the accounts on other social media platforms they claim they are also posting on), or else you would have a hard time determining which account is legitimate (not a plagiarist farming rewards by posing as the user on other platforms).
The secret is that there doesn't have to be just one! Do you get it yet? Anyone can step up and do this, but it takes effort and exposes them to the sort of abuse you throw around. The evidence of identity can be made public for others to check for themselves. Can even be put on the blockchain.
Ever consider that people give a shit about Hive and not just their own profits? Some of us don't self-vote even when we get flagged.
I downvote abuse all the time so legit people can get more rewards. Sometimes they retaliate, but whatever.
If nobody does anything 'authoritarian' then Hive will be as shit as Steem has become.
You know what? I believe you already despite not verifying that and knowing how to search for the truth like contacting someone that can possibly prove you're wrong.
I've long thought we could do with some sort of decentralised account verification, something like Keybase provided. Need something that can automatically verify some links we provide point at our Hive account. Hivewatchers have their verification, but it requires manual checking. Just having a trustworthy 'verified' mark on accounts would be worth a lot.
The vouching system is the most simplified form of decentralized verification. Seeing a lot of loopholes can be used against this system it really baffles me how dumb fucks would freely give their info on centralized social media platform to conform vs decentralized platforms where steps to verify can be done in minutes without a drama. Really lacking the proof of brain here.
Ah okay, you were being sarcastic & teasing me, got it @steevc.
But I believe it should be opt-in, not pressured forced, or done in a way that can lead to needlessly harrassing legit users.
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It would be as simple as creating a bot for D.Buzz to see if the user on Hive is indeed the same user as another platform by checking if they have placed a required word (such as "Hive" or their Hive username). 🤨
If verification is "opt-in" like @steevc mentioned, what will happen to those who still don't want to verify despite it being voluntary? 🤔
How about those users who don't have any account in any other platform, such that they won't be able to get a verified tick? 🤔 If users upvote more on "verified" Hive accounts, then Hive users without accounts in other platforms won't be able to verify, and so they will get less votes, despite all their efforts put on Hive. 🤨
Yeah, this is tricky.
Then curators could judge if each person is legit, based on the verification they used.
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Do you think I was harassing a user when I asked them to make a reply on their other social media account like the case mentioned above? The guy clearly faked their profile and it only took me soem conversation off platform to see if they got hive written or know about it. @jeffjagoe disagrees as in his world there's no need for ways to verify users even in decentralized platforms. He gave his private info on centralized platforms freely so why does it become an issue if done on decentralized where you only need to put the word Hive as a requirement?
The harassment I am talking about involves:
The cookie cut #HW's comments including accusations such as "scammer", "plagerist", etc.
Requiring people to join Discord, for off-chain verifcation.
Requiring people to post an apology on their HIVE Profile.
Posted via Blog | D.Buzz
Yeah mostly that beef you got up is with HW and not necessarily my own case where I just want to see if the one I'm voting at is real or not. I agree that some areas need to be worked out. Still can't believe that some just can't be bothered to respond cross platform over a trivial task such as confirming if they own the account or not.
So my complaints are not really toward you, but more toward the #HW's system, of doing the three things I mentioned in my prior reply.
Posted via Blog | D.BuzzLarge influencers who have 1 million users+ will not appreciate users from #HIVE telling them to manually verify their identity.
So my complaints are not really toward you, but more toward the #HW's system, of doing the three things I mentioned in my prior reply.
Posted via Blog | D.BuzzLarge influencers who have 1 million users+ will not appreciate users from #HIVE telling them to manually verify their identity.
I get the part where HW has bad PR when it comes to verifications. Not going to argue there. The argument was do we need verifications or not? It doesn't matter whether they post cross platform, I just want to know if the person I am voting for is the same person on the other side reposting content. For those users who refused to opt in, would that mean they get less votes? Nah, they would still get curated by unsuspecting users as it happens and will be common when the platform gets further growth. @eloy-drawing refused further communications when they knew I was contacting the real one on instagram. The eloy case is a classic user that steals content from an unsuspecting creator. They would less likely try to opt in for verification but still get rogue votes while they continue their streak.
You would actually be doing a favor to those "large influencers" if you let them know that there is a plagiarist (on Hive or somewhere else) who steals their content and profit off them at the owners' expense. 🤨😑
The harassment would come when users refuses to verify their account, but is then pressured, bad mouthed, etc.
But I understand that you don't have better tools yet.
Posted via Blog | D.BuzzIf you backread, I'm planning on creating a verification tool for @dbuzz but have to add other thing 1st.
So how do we know who is legit if they won't verify? See the flaw in your plan?
The same way that you know an image from Google Images is legit at first glance, you don't.
$HIVE is supposed to be Web3, but you are advocating for more policing than what even Google does.
@steevc did not mention anything about free speech or censorship. 🤨 He simply commented about the need of Hive users to have their Hive account verified (matches the accounts on other social media platforms they claim they are also posting on), or else you would have a hard time determining which account is legitimate (not a plagiarist farming rewards by posing as the user on other platforms).
I don’t think they do lol. Authoritarians love to be in control. And that is all this is about. Having control of the HIVE blockchain.
Our verification will likely be the equivalent of a blue checkmark, but it would be done via software, on an opt-in basis, not harrassment.
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So if someone claims to be a celebrity and doesn't want to verify that's okay? Should they get any rewards? Asking for my friend Bill Gates.
How do we know which authoritarian group is the real HIVE verification service?
Posted via D.BuzzThis!!! ☝️😅 @frankbacon @steevc
The secret is that there doesn't have to be just one! Do you get it yet? Anyone can step up and do this, but it takes effort and exposes them to the sort of abuse you throw around. The evidence of identity can be made public for others to check for themselves. Can even be put on the blockchain.
Ever consider that people give a shit about Hive and not just their own profits? Some of us don't self-vote even when we get flagged.
I downvote abuse all the time so legit people can get more rewards. Sometimes they retaliate, but whatever.
If nobody does anything 'authoritarian' then Hive will be as shit as Steem has become.