The vouching system is the most simplified form of decentralized verification. Seeing a lot of loopholes can be used against this system it really baffles me how dumb fucks would freely give their info on centralized social media platform to conform vs decentralized platforms where steps to verify can be done in minutes without a drama. Really lacking the proof of brain here.
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Ah okay, you were being sarcastic & teasing me, got it @steevc.
But I believe it should be opt-in, not pressured forced, or done in a way that can lead to needlessly harrassing legit users.
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It would be as simple as creating a bot for D.Buzz to see if the user on Hive is indeed the same user as another platform by checking if they have placed a required word (such as "Hive" or their Hive username). 🤨
If verification is "opt-in" like @steevc mentioned, what will happen to those who still don't want to verify despite it being voluntary? 🤔
How about those users who don't have any account in any other platform, such that they won't be able to get a verified tick? 🤔 If users upvote more on "verified" Hive accounts, then Hive users without accounts in other platforms won't be able to verify, and so they will get less votes, despite all their efforts put on Hive. 🤨
Yeah, this is tricky.
Then curators could judge if each person is legit, based on the verification they used.
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Do you think I was harassing a user when I asked them to make a reply on their other social media account like the case mentioned above? The guy clearly faked their profile and it only took me soem conversation off platform to see if they got hive written or know about it. @jeffjagoe disagrees as in his world there's no need for ways to verify users even in decentralized platforms. He gave his private info on centralized platforms freely so why does it become an issue if done on decentralized where you only need to put the word Hive as a requirement?
The harassment I am talking about involves:
The cookie cut #HW's comments including accusations such as "scammer", "plagerist", etc.
Requiring people to join Discord, for off-chain verifcation.
Requiring people to post an apology on their HIVE Profile.
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Yeah mostly that beef you got up is with HW and not necessarily my own case where I just want to see if the one I'm voting at is real or not. I agree that some areas need to be worked out. Still can't believe that some just can't be bothered to respond cross platform over a trivial task such as confirming if they own the account or not.
What you're doing isn't really bad, since you seem to be talking civilly.
But until there is a verification system, that's more seamless, no choice
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So my complaints are not really toward you, but more toward the #HW's system, of doing the three things I mentioned in my prior reply.
Posted via Blog | D.BuzzLarge influencers who have 1 million users+ will not appreciate users from #HIVE telling them to manually verify their identity.
So my complaints are not really toward you, but more toward the #HW's system, of doing the three things I mentioned in my prior reply.
Posted via Blog | D.BuzzLarge influencers who have 1 million users+ will not appreciate users from #HIVE telling them to manually verify their identity.
I get the part where HW has bad PR when it comes to verifications. Not going to argue there. The argument was do we need verifications or not? It doesn't matter whether they post cross platform, I just want to know if the person I am voting for is the same person on the other side reposting content. For those users who refused to opt in, would that mean they get less votes? Nah, they would still get curated by unsuspecting users as it happens and will be common when the platform gets further growth. @eloy-drawing refused further communications when they knew I was contacting the real one on instagram. The eloy case is a classic user that steals content from an unsuspecting creator. They would less likely try to opt in for verification but still get rogue votes while they continue their streak.
There is a need for an opt-in verification system:
To match the opt-in verification system, #Hive should follow-up w/a culture of rewarding verified accounts over non-verified accounts.
Non-verified accounts could still get votes, but it would likely be from low-stakes.
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Yeah I made a reply on the subject just now on another comment. In an ideal hive, users would be more responsible using their stake to upvote, make decisions on governance, and etc but that's far from what we got as far as decentralization goes. You see users do commit plagiarism yet there is a steep hill to get people use the downvote button even when it is grossly stolen and proven. Also the Pressure of rewarding verified accounts would also mean anons who just prefer to be anons who prefer to be anons with no other social media presence somewhere gets left out in the equation. The system relies on connecting ones name with other platforms am I right?
Yes, but on an opt-in basis.
You are most concerned with the rewards going to the correct parties, based on your terms.
I am more concerned with increase @dbuzz and #HIVE's proven use-case as a #FreeSpeech platform.
#1 should not be done at the expense of #2.
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@snacky,
Can you chime in and share some of your ideas with @adamada and maybe backread the thread?
Posted via D.BuzzYou are much better at explaining than I am @snacky, especially when you compared the rewards people receive to other blockchains.
otheror who want to make a separate identity than those they made on their accounts on other platforms? 🤨As what I mentioned at https://peakd.com/@savvyplayer/re-chrisrice-202166t11253822z, what about Hive users who don't have any account in any social media platform like @adamada said,
I added my solution in a prior reply.
Then curators could decide for themselves, if the evidence was acceptable or not.
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You would actually be doing a favor to those "large influencers" if you let them know that there is a plagiarist (on Hive or somewhere else) who steals their content and profit off them at the owners' expense. 🤨😑
Sure, but that is the extreme case:
There are in fact, legit authors, accused of being plagerists, when they were not
Some of those autbors only got help when influential accounts intervened
There is a list if plagerism types, and almost all speech can fit inside it
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The harassment would come when users refuses to verify their account, but is then pressured, bad mouthed, etc.
But I understand that you don't have better tools yet.
Posted via Blog | D.BuzzIf you backread, I'm planning on creating a verification tool for @dbuzz but have to add other thing 1st.
So how do we know who is legit if they won't verify? See the flaw in your plan?
The same way that you know an image from Google Images is legit at first glance, you don't.
$HIVE is supposed to be Web3, but you are advocating for more policing than what even Google does.
@steevc did not mention anything about free speech or censorship. 🤨 He simply commented about the need of Hive users to have their Hive account verified (matches the accounts on other social media platforms they claim they are also posting on), or else you would have a hard time determining which account is legitimate (not a plagiarist farming rewards by posing as the user on other platforms).
Yes, and that's fine.
#FreeSpeech is @dbuzz's real use case, and IMO it happens to also be the most in demand use cases rn.
@steevc's stance on free speech is a different topic than Hive account verification. 🤨 You may open another conversation with that topic. 😑
It's all related, but you don't realize it.
@dbuzz's agenda is preserving + expanding #FreeSpeech online.
Posted via D.BuzzThat also happens to be the best use case for onboarding . . and user retention for #Web3.
I don’t think they do lol. Authoritarians love to be in control. And that is all this is about. Having control of the HIVE blockchain.
Or maybe trying to avoid rewards going to crooks. I'm off to create accounts for Madonna, Britney and Beyonce so I can reap millions posting their stuff. No need to prove it's really them of course.
The verification system @dbuzz will make.
Free market of upvote and downvotes.
Will avoid misappropriation of rewards, and btw, authoritarians are crooks too, start with them 👍
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Good luck with that!
Our verification will likely be the equivalent of a blue checkmark, but it would be done via software, on an opt-in basis, not harrassment.
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So if someone claims to be a celebrity and doesn't want to verify that's okay? Should they get any rewards? Asking for my friend Bill Gates.
It should be the same way it's handled on Web2 sites like Google Search, a DCMA complaint between the owner of the content, and the person who posted it.
The biggest issue is the authoritarian nature of HW's and them requiring users to login to Discord, post an apology, etc.
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As for the rewards, that's what the #FreeMarket of upvotes and downvotes is for.
And if we creatr a verification system, + open sources it, people who verified would likely earn more, but it would be opt-in, w/out harrasment or authortarian rhetoric.
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Btw, what do you think about the plans of Bill Gates to "vaccinate" the world, including children, w/mRNA?
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I think he wants to do good, but some people think nobody would do that without some sinister ulterior motive.
Anyway I have better stuff to do than debate with you. Go create a verification system and I'll see what I think of it.
Yeah, I've got other things to make before the verification system, but @dbuzz will get to it.
All will eventually be open sourced 👍
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How do we know which authoritarian group is the real HIVE verification service?
Posted via D.BuzzThis!!! ☝️😅 @frankbacon @steevc
excellent time to bring up that vouching IS my best method... personally.
I'll vouch the parrent comment by @adamada (67) 6 hours ago
@chrisrice and I broke ground on a method ... Everyone's OWN version of the BLUE CHECK can be brought to HIVE expediantly.
Here is a user who could possibly get a D.BUZZ check mark for doing certain verification Steps ... that follow THEIR free speech guildlines.
All else follows from here.
I just need to know if the owner of the account cross platform also uses the content posted on hive by acknowledging they know hive. Other sensitive info is unncessesary. Do you post on hive with x username? No? Have a good day. I think you confuse my own venture with HW that has a separate protocol of idk what, I'm just checking out for myself representing myself.
My idea is to automate blue checkmarks without acting as a middle man.
The verification I envision, will allow users to verify their @dbuzz / #HIVE account via Web2.
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Then, 3rd party users could verify for themselves, if a user was legit, based on clicking on the blue check mark (or something similar) that would direct to the Web2 account used for verification.
Posted via D.BuzzIf @billgates verified w/a Web2 account of 5 followers, it's fake @steevc
Vouching cannot scale imo, it needs to be a seamless, automated process, without a human middle man imo.
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Can you verify thats me in the picture?
Can a robot?
Can I?
The secret is that there doesn't have to be just one! Do you get it yet? Anyone can step up and do this, but it takes effort and exposes them to the sort of abuse you throw around. The evidence of identity can be made public for others to check for themselves. Can even be put on the blockchain.
Ever consider that people give a shit about Hive and not just their own profits? Some of us don't self-vote even when we get flagged.
I downvote abuse all the time so legit people can get more rewards. Sometimes they retaliate, but whatever.
If nobody does anything 'authoritarian' then Hive will be as shit as Steem has become.
This is not a very good statement from a #FreeSpeech / #Censorship resistant platform user
Posted via D.BuzzAnd lacks creativity, imagination, and goodwill . . @dbuzz will create solutions, give us time
Yea definitely not something I’m here for
And btw, @snacky manages much bigger communities than #HIVE, and does a better job with his team w/out resorting to force/harassment/authoritariansim.
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It's a difference of goals
Like so many "anti-" movements, the real goal isn't the stated one
They are only interested in not having their bag diluted/capital presentation, it has nothing to do with spam prevention or community quality, these are the virtuous goals given to the young enforcers who don't get realize the game
@snacky gave a good reply that is worth reviewing ☝️
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yep, just a few plutocrats that enjoy using their stake to feel "in charge" of something for once in their life...
I am clearly not a fake account, I don't plagiarize or steal content, I don't harass users (I try my best to be kind to others here)... yet here I am, one of their primary targets as of late lol
“there doesn't have to be just one! Do you get it yet? Anyone can step up and do this, but it takes effort and exposes them”
no Steve, it doesn’t take effort. It simply takes stake. This is a plutocracy at its finest.
Stake. Ha. You don't need stake to make something impactful such as making statement. You need a voice.