What is this account for? How do you get added to such a list? And what does it mean to be 'Blacklisted'?
The other day I saw a downvote on a post by an account called @blacklist-a. The post received a downvote from a member of the Steemit.inc team also, and so this interested me enough to go and have a look at @blacklist-a.
I'll not name the post here, or list any accounts involved (other than @blacklist-a), but I will provide images below.
The Black List
Taking a look at @blacklist-a's profile https://steemit.com/@blacklist-a, the blurb is:
This is bot use many factors based on time and flags from serious members of the steemit community. A Flag from this bot stop other bots from auto-voting your post.
Immediately a few questions spring to mind!
Who are the 'serious members'?
Which 'other bots'?
And who wrote this text because it could do with a few amendments!
Also, on the profile page linked above is a URL: http://pastebin.com/h1unSks2 More on the contents of that soon.
Serious?
Serious source
Who are these 'serious' community members? I'm assuming they know how to code for a start. And, they've been here a while and seem to have a good view of what's going on on the Blockchain.
Hmmm, I wonder who fits the bill there...
No auto-votes from 'other' bots
So who are these 'other' bots? Bid-bots? I'm not sure about that because @blacklist-a was around before HF 17 (The delegation Fork) and so Bid-bots didn't exist back then.
How about curation bots? Potentially.
A recent report by @paulag reported a link between reputation and post worth.
The reward/reputation increase showed a really nice (almost programmatical) curve, whereas reputation increased, post payout increased. This got me thinking, I wonder if their are curation bots that support users as they rise up the reputation scale?
And, I wonder if being a member of 'The Black List' stops these bots from visiting your posts while you are present on the list?
http://pastebin.com/h1unSks2
At this link, there is more information on what the @blacklist-a account is, why it's there, and also, what do do if you want to be removed.
The Steemit @Blacklist uses a range of metrics to determine who's a repeat offender of plagiarism, hate speech, bullying, ongoing power-abuse and so on.
This does imply that the account is owned by Steemit, as only the Steemit account has the 'power' to take down the biggest whales, should they go rogue and fall into the criteria above.
Speaking of the criteria, I think most of us have an idea of what falls into 'plagarism' and 'bullying', but what about 'hate speech' and 'power-abuse'. This seems a bit more subjective to me, and indeed the post that I noticed the flag from @blacklist-a on, seemed to fall into 'hate speech' - at least from @blacklist-a's point of view.
The Blacklist is computer-generated and is updated irregularly to make sure bad behaving accounts get a quick flag so that other upvote-bots can avoid upvoting the blacklisted accounts and simply skip to the next post.
This could answer the earlier question: 'How about curation bots?'
It does sound like the 'other bots' are auto-voting curation bots. I would love to know the criteria/rules here!
The @blacklist-project is a much wider and further stretching authority than any of the singular up or downvoting guilds currently running on steemit...the black flag is computer-generated by a popular opinion from a wide range of always active members of the community.
Another question answered? Who can confidently state the above, I can only think of one team of people.
There are one way to get off the blacklist once you are on it, and that is to change your behavior from evil to good over your next 40 posts. Once you have reached that number you must send 40 STEEM to the @blacklist account with "REVIEW" in the memo. Someone from our staff will then manually look at your blog within the next 24-48 hours and remove you from the list if your account now qualifies for it.
40 STEEM! Damn! Somewhere in the region of $150 at the time of writing, and there are no guarantees your account will be removed.
The Blacklist contains between 200-500 accounts at any given time. The list grows or shrinks depending on user behavior (1) and user-reaction (2).
I'm going to look at how many and who might be on this list next. Good to know that if you react positively to the flag, it could well be rescinded, maybe!
Who's on The Black List?
The short answer, a lot of people!
A quick look at the Wallet for @blacklist and @blacklist-a, show no transfers 'to' of 40 STEEM. I'm assuming those who've been added either don't care, or are not aware they are on any list.
I've used the 'TxVotes' table in the SteemSQL DB to gather some statistics.
In the past 40 days, 1433 have been flagged by @blacklist-a. Assuming 1 (top level) post a day, all of these accounts are still Blacklisted.
Over 3000 accounts were flagged by @blacklist-a in the past 3 months.
Here is a list of the accounts, with a Reputation over 60 who have been flagged by @blacklist-a in the past 40 days:
See anyone you recognise?!
And a list of the top Steem Power holders who have been flagged by @blacklist-a in the past 40 days:
Again, more people you may recognise - there are a few on each list that I do and of those, I am surprised they are on a list which compiles users guilty of:
'plagiarism, hate speech, bullying, ongoing power-abuse and so on'
Summary
A user/some users with a large amount of Steem Power use @blacklist-a to tag accounts so they are not voted on by auto-curation bots.
Perhaps Steemit are supporting users behind the scenes, or maybe it's another group of whales who have a large stake.
The subjective nature of the criteria that can get you added to the list is not going to the please everyone.
Looking at the lists above again, who has the potential to get added to The Black List?
I guess!
Questions / Theories / Answers?
Cheers!
Asher @abh12345
I noticed a flag come in the other day.
Why myself and @gmuxx are on it is beyond me.
I don't have a clue how I have attracted the attention of whoever runs it. I don't use voting bots however the post that got flagged did recieve a @buildawhale vote from someone else I think.
I recieved a big downvote from a member of the Steemit.inc team too!
Seems like a random list to me, interesting that @dan & @ned are on there. A psy-op maybe 😂;-D
Thanks for looking into this Asher.
I observed the above yes and this was where I noticed the @blacklist-a account.
So what 'rule' do you think you broke of the above? 'and so on' is my best guess!
Why did that cross my mind too?
No worries, sorry about the flags.
It is what it is I guess, it's a shame because I've broke none of the rules.
I've never plagiarised, always give credit for research/pictures used in posts, don't abuse people even when I've been abused , I only ever post 1-2 articles a week and always provide long informative articles that take a lot of work to put together, I've never used a flag myself not once in all the time I've been here again even when it would be justified as I believe in not rewarding something I don't like or agree with rather than removing rewards for a difference of opinion.
Only one of flaggers left a comment on the post Which was a personal insult that someone else flagged
I did contact another one and asked for the reason for the flag and was told 'disagreement of rewards' and 'don't worry about it' so that was that, nothing I can do.
I personally don't concern myself with other people's rewards, it's none of my business, I don't always agree with some of the lower content/quality posts earning high rewards however the owners of the accounts have either worked really hard to get where they are or have invested in Steem heavily so who am I to judge what they do?
What disturbs me the most though is that Steemit is being seen as a place that the alt-media and truthers can come to disseminate information being demonitized and censored on other platforms now and while I understand that not everyone is going to agree with all the information given in posts of that type I feel it's starting to look like there are some here that would use the standard reasons for flags as a way of censoring or punishing those who want to try and help create a better world. If that is the case it will stop the explosion of quality journalists arriving or make them rethink their presence here which would be a sad day.
Personally I would do away with the flag system in its current format and change it so it only affected reputation plus the flag would only work if a comment explaining its reason is left, remove vote buying and self voting. At least that way it would hopefully stop tit for tat flag wars and potential 'jealously or difference of opinion flags'. I'm not very technical so I don't even know if that is possible it's just my take on it.
TP
You work very hard on your posts, and imo there aren't enough of them! You only post once a week at the maximum. You deserve the rewards that are bestowed upon your blogs. Sorry this is happening, it's such bullshit.
Thanks babe.
@tremendospercy, I concur with @lyndsaybowes. The work you put into posts along with the credits is stellar. If anything, this has put you back on my "little VP for now" radar as someone I need to do a better job supporting. I always leave your posts with extra creases in my grey matter. LOL.
Thanks @abh12345 for sharing the nuances of Steem that you discover with us and for always being there to answer my gazillion questions.
yup, that is every bit as pernicious and the shadow bans at Twitter
Exactly
We need a conspiracy theory bot to go upvote all the conspiracy theory posts as much as that bot downvotes them
You did not make any violations, but you, all the same, were blacklisted. So, before writing the truth about the Steemit system, now all users need to think carefully. For such comments they can be punished - entered in the black list of Steemit. Hence, here, as in real life, there is no freedom of speech and scoff at innocent users. I'm unpleasantly surprised. If users themselves do not try to change this situation, Steemit will turn into a hidden virtual dictator: ((
The flag system is definitely broken, because it encourages tit for tat, agreed. (Followed.)
We simply need more quality curators with high SP who can upvote other content, to decrease payout to low quality content. The rewards pool is fixed, after all. (I'll try to get the MathOverflow community on here, if LaTeX via MathJax or KaTeX is enabled.)
That said, I have some idea why Ned and Dan implemented flagging originally; it immediately, rather than over time, decreases the rewards for poor quality content. (Like this blacklist itself! If Steem, Inc. flagged it, good. That blacklist, with Ned, Dan, Jerry, you, other well known members on it, is clearly extortion of some sort.)
very interesting post Asher, and though provoking too. Just wondering if you checked to see at any stage this blacklist account received delegation? the SP is very low so the downvotes not really worth much. but if the idea is to alert other 'bots' then I guess SP is not needed. Code from one bot to another.
Thanks :)
Yeah they dont have delegation, and dont care about rep. It seems to be a 'marker' bot that others then use.
Who's in charge, and will I still get a bigger vote when my rep goes up? :)
Who are these other bots that votes based upon Rep....
And where do I find them? LOL
I seemed to not make their list.
That's the secret! How do you know you ain't on the list?
Who owns them, and which curation bot/rules do they use?
Answers please!
Since both myself and @tremendospercy are on there shortly after we got targeted by a certain someone on one of Percy's posts, I can make a good guess, although it could be pure coincidence - or maybe not. Hard to tell as they like to wield the power yet not respond when called out.
I do however find issue with this:
I have never done any of these and would dearly love to be enlightened. My guess is that this is used to target people for personal reasons as a way of
bullying, ongoing power-abuse.Pot kettle black.
I go out of my way to help the community rather than try to tear it down. This won't stop me but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Nice post
no, I'm joking lol. ( even though it was indeed a great post )
I honestly don't think it's owned by Steemit inc, but I do have a question.
How can they ask for 40 STEEM to be removed from the list? what happens to people that are on the list? because it doesn't seem to affect anyone.
It's a fair question, and one that makes me think its not a Steemit owned account.
It seems that if you are on the list you wont be privvy to any special vote treatment by the accounts that check this list before auto-voting on the posts.
Very informative and thought provoking @abh12345. There really seems to be a lot that goes on, on the platform that most of don't know or have heard about. It is kind of scary to know that you can just piss someone off and they can get you flagged seemingly without proof.
In away it doesn't surprise me the ones that are listed. Most have their opinions and yes do piss people off one way or another. Others seem to not even be real people. There is one I have noticed that posts roughly every 6 minutes. There are some that post just plain garbage they have taken from Google or memes.
I am also disliking bots more and more. To me it's not a way to build a good following or a business. In a way it's cheating. I know in gaming if you use a bot, you get banned and people look down on you, because you're either lazy or don't know how to play so you have to cheat to get a head. Or I could just be really off base with my thinking.
Sounds like a fair assessment to me.
There are good and bad bots, this one/these ones are open to debate :)
This was discussed quite some time ago. See this and this.
At the time, there was a very high volume of one-percent voters who were voting on nearly every post, and I believe that the program driving those voters was configured to ignore posts marked by the blacklist accounts (as well as cheetah, steemcleaners and perhaps a couple others).
I doubt if the blacklist accounts are having much of an impact these days, if they ever did.
Thanks for the links!
It seems the answers are held within, and it does not look like a Steemit account.
I think this is one of those subject that will continue to go around as long as they are there and there can be concern for misuse. There are so many that set out to make money at any cost, it doesn't phase them. Like one of @themarkymark posts where he uncovered 50 bogus accounts tied to 1 or 2 genuine accounts. I don't know if there is an answer. I agree that there are good and bad bots. It ultimately means that we ourselves have to make sure we don't encourage or patronize others that we know for certain are posting garbage or abusing bots mainly to maintain the integrity of the platform. That is ultimately what I get from posting such as this one.
Along with what you're saying that very well could be. I really think the major reason for making all of this an open topic that everyone is aware of, is because it affects the main pool and it trickles down someone like me, meaning I either get missed, or pennies for what could be a very good post. Where as someone of your ranking I would hope you're making a larger portion of the pool than I am.
I like how this was approached. For @abh12345 to do something pretty comprehensive and breakdown when it is good to use a bot and when it's not with the suggestions of which ones are good.
Very interesting... I think I may have been flagged by them way back in the day after posting a referral link and getting SteemCleaners attention, but I’m not positive... Perhaps SteemCleaners is involved? All I know is it’s weird that the account has no steem power... really just a way of creating a list...
A list which excludes you from other benefits it seems. But yeah, could be of little importance right now.
Cheers!
Oh boy.... what if they roll out some super cool update with some super cool features and none of us blacklisters are allowed to play with them
I wonder if the account is Steemits after reading some of the comments.
check out the links remlaps has added...
Wel as a matter of fact ,I am not surprised at some of the names I see there. Most of them there might not be guilty of plagiarism , but hate-speech, bullying and power abuse? I have seen them a lot here and so I must say that some of them there deserve to be there.
Another thing you might not know is that other steemians can recommend you name on the blacklist. I have chatted with someone on steemit who told me he gave up someone name to be added on the blacklist. So we all need to be watchful.
You are right, I didn't know that.
'Someone' huh? :D
Hahahah...trying to avoid name calling bro. Trying to be watchful myself :-D
hehe, fair enough!
I smell the hand of berniesanders here!
I was waiting for someone to mention bernie!
Sounds like too much admin for him though?
I note he was one that was flagged. That might be overly subtle for bernie.
Maybe @noganoo. Didn't recognize any of his alts in the lists.
He has several accounts. I didn't notice any alts either... noganoo has a running feud with my friend ausbitbank who's one of the best people on Steemit.
It's possible he may be out of jail again, so folks that have had trouble with him can look forward to running into him again. Of course, jail changes you. Maybe he won't be as much trouble now.
I have to agree about @ausbitbank. He's on a discord I lurk, and I've been able to learn about his work and intentions. Can't find any fault with anything he's ever said.
Honestly, with that level of English it's hard to take the account seriously. But if it is really true and their flagging works even on the big whales then it's great. I've seen a lot of flagging wars that goes to trending just because of upvote bots
😁
Maybe the largest accounts are there just to be excluded from Random curation bots, and not because they have done wrong? Not sure!
Not for nothing @abh12345 but this:
After reading your posts for a while, I dont see this in your writings. I fail to see how what you posts qualifies as such.
It is a tricky line here on STEEM...bots have their place but they do not replace manual actions. We are on the blockchain, so where are the lines drawn and who is to draw them? What is consider hate by some is not by others.
And is it right for a central entity to try and maintain control. If what you write is true, is there a need for this? And are they using this bot to alert other bots they created that upvote based upon Rep as you mentioned?
If so, then it makes some sense....
Hey, is this a reply to me or TP?
The text you quote is in my post so I'm not sure!
Or do you mean you can't see any of those rules in TPs post?
Agreed. Some have a business to run though?
Yeah I think so.
This was pretty cool to see... And interesting too. I've heard of the account before, but never knew it was being used like this.
I also recognize several people on the lists. I follow a handful of the Steemians on the list and I can't possible imagine what they've done to be blacklisted. Thanks for sharing Asher, much appreciated!
And thanks for reading... There is more to it I think but i'll leave it there for now.
Hopefully these accounts you know of will be removed at some point.
I wonder if that is why the bots suddenly stopped upvoting my posts. It seemed odd to me that it all stopped at once. If I recall correctly, it happened around Christmas time. Is there a way to find out if my account has been black listed?
To me it seems odd that one bot can influence so many others. Seems like that level of influence needs some checks and balances. Guilty until proven innocent is not a healthy protocol to use.
Hi @wwf
I didn't see a downvote from the blacklist account for you so I'm pretty sure you are not blacklisted.
These bots that the black list disables from voting your post are not known, and people aren't sure if they are still active.
The general opinion is that this was a failed extortion attempt that is isn't currently 'live', although the downvotes (list gathering) is still in place.
I hope this helps rest your mind a little, thank you for the comments as always.
Asher
Thank you! That would not surprise me. Because steemit reflects the real world, there would be people on here that would resort to extortion. Vigilance is always required eh!
Vigilance indeed! We have a good support network with the SoG and this makes me feel more comfortable here.
Unfortunately, this gives me wicked ideas.
It'd be easy to make a blackmail bot.
I have run into folks that state in their about me blurb that they are 'professional flaggers'.
Professional racketeers isn't much different.
Sad that I have released this idea into the wild now. At least white hats can consider how to combat it.
Thanks!
To add to your already wicked ideas? ;)
I try to banish them with strong drink =p
I cannot see any other reason than to exclude @steemcleaners from the bot upvotes for that account to be on this list. Do you know of any sins they might have committed?
I don't think some of the names are on due to sins. I think it's more about adding them so they don't receive the voting perks of bot accounts 'for the people'. That's my guess!
Interesting detective work here Ash, I couldn't possibly say who is behind it as it could be from multiple directions.
All I can say is that Steemit does need a powerful 'whitehat' to fight the bad actors that hurt the platform for all. But then again, on the list are a bunch of people I would never have figured to have been doing - too much- wrongs here.
It's a bit messy isn't it, but I do agree that a large 'whitehat' account sounds best - seems that the hat can be swapped quite easily though depending on mood!
Excellent article. I am very happy about the moment that I'm not on this list. Thanks for the info.
Thanks! Yes, no Stewards are on the list.
40 steem!!! Sounds like extortion to me... a bunch of scumbags with a bright idea to make money!
And no-one paid up! :D
The Steemit Mafia strikes again!!!
Ohh @blacklist-a ? I didn't know that. Thanks for informing. I have to go and check myself if there is my name too ;) Ohh I'm surprised there are @haejin, @jerrybanfield, @ned and @dan too. Wow you spent a pretty good time to collect and write all these information. Thumbs up!
You are safe so far @kittynick, thanks! :)
It was few day ago I saw a flag on a post of a user whom I was/am following. I quickly checked who flagged it and there was two accounts one is @blacklist-a and the other I also don't want to mention. I checked that profile it was with some good steem power and reputation as well but didnt get any hint to support he was from steemit inc, maybe I'll check it again. But why they never leave any reason for the flag?
I'm pretty sure I know which post you mean, but I didn't want the focus to be mainly that.
Reasons are not compulsory when flagging, is my 'on the fence' response.
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But at some point, I need reasons for flag so that I can avoid such mistakes later in my posts. I checked that profile again after reading your post, comments on that guys post say he's pretty much nearer person to NED, then why is NED on his blacklist?
If there's a bot army upvoting posts and comments from folks proportional to their rep, and some accounts, perhaps Ned's, would prefer to leave the upvotes for others, that would be a good way to exclude themselves from those upvotes.
This could be also possible.But I can't see this really be true , why would he spend his time/fund/manpower on such things that don't make much sense at all and could be more controversial when there are tons of Major problem those should be respected first.On the other hand it seems to me like he loves twitter more than his own platform lol
Regarding Ned, in particular, two things he can do to make Steemit better is to encourage folks that are pillars of the community, like with bots that upvote based on rep, and lure new users to the platform, like on other platforms, where they're being censored.
hmm This is really interesting! I was surprised when I seen that a lot of popular account were on that list!
Interesting and I want to know more!
Very interesting post. There is a lot to learn on steemit and how it works behind the scenes.
I wish everything would be clearer and out in the open regarding reasons behind blacklisting but I guess that won't happen. I can see this becoming a problem in the near future
I thought 'and so on' was clear enough? 😁
They missed the "so forth" part... that would have made it clearer 😂
Wow, I'm afraid of that list, never but I never want to fall there:(
I did not know that there was such a list and that those who handle it have so much power.
I don't think you have to worry, so don't worry 😁
Wow.... That was incredibly informative. I had no idea the big guys could end up on that list. Thank you for the awesome write up. On other notes, I wanted to stop by your blog and sincerely thank you for supporting the Steemit Newbie Resteem Initiative. I am beavering away a lot off of Steemit so @davemccoy handles all the on platform stuff at the moment so I haven't had the opportunity to express my gratitude yet. But thank you so much. It is truly appreciated.
My pleasure!
Thank you for all the hard work to help life this new community for new members off the ground!
Nice analysis - Answer...quit while your ahead?
Unfortunately this blacklist discovery has only reinforced a feeling I have from a five day break from steemit - I don't miss being here! (Present company exluded of course).
This seems to be another shadowy subjective collaboration. As you say, whose part of it, what's the algorithm? We dunno - could be us next!
This platform needs to evolve from anarcho capitalism to anarcho socialism otherwise it'll die.
I actually think more and more that DL expected this to happen - his prediction is 'coded' in the language - Whales eat Plankton (and the ecosystem collapses.)
Thanks :)
Well i'm not throwing my chips in yet, I'll just try and remain on the 'right' side of the law and do my best for myself and others.
There are dark places everywhere, might be best not to look and focus on the rainbows instead. Cheers!
That's my basic strategy, but this little circle we're part of really is very little - I think the long term solution is a nonymous spin off with more socialist principles that puts capital at the service of the people.
Tell me where to stand and which kind of screwdriver to hold.
hehe :) Got to be a Philips!
steemit is just funny.
What i view here as regards those that there name appears on the blacklist might actually be due to plagiarist. Some might be reported. Some will just abuse their power.
I was fortunate to come across one of @craig-grant posts and i noticed that the post was downvoted along with those that comment on it. This is just funny.
woah... thats surprising !! many whales are on blacklisted!
I had no idea there was a black list. Seems like extortion to get off the list. $150 to be reviewed? If there is an algorithm to black list, then there should be one to get off the list. Not just extortion!
40 good posts and you may be allowed off!
A bit like giving something up for lent?
Thank you for post on the subject. I recently saw information, that on Steemit there is black list. Your post contains the necessary information on this topic, very useful, especially for beginners!
A very large list, I saw some names that i didn't expected....I didn't understand really well the
criteria used by blacklist...so, like you said everyone be added in that list!
No one is safe, or so it seems...
Thank you for such information. I could not imagine that there is a group of people in Steemit who unfairly writes users to the black list. That is, these people did not make any violations, but they were, all the same, blacklisted. Such unpleasant information makes me think. I still have a small reputation and I openly comment on my opinion, sometimes not in favor of the Steemit system. So, in the future, can they punish me for this? Democracy is absent and in Steemit: ((
This is a powerful note. Unique information thank you for transferring it to us. I think this is really unfair. And is any foundation based on blacklisting.
This is bad for all of us. I hope that it will be considered. It will be programmed with special points.
Thank you dear brother @abh12345
I think you spend many times to make this post! Hard and very good work👍
Yes with a bad internet and data it always takes time!
Thank you for pointing this thing out to the community. Had no idea there was such a thing.
With both Dan and Ned, Jerry, Steemcleaners, on the list, and the 40 SP review fee, it's very clear the list is extortion of some kind. Steem, Inc., the owners of the website needs to get involved. (Otherwise they expose themselves to liability.) The other people on the list, some of whom are, in fact, imo, really spammers, are apparently there for the mere "appearance" of it really being a valid list. Such things have been done before . . .
No problem. Failed extortion, if that's what the plan was, as no-one has sent any STEEM. I'm sure we've not heard the last of this list though, cheers!
we can see many more black list these days.. i think it's more happens when the users don't really had enough information about the stet i feel they need second chance by first hive warning then do such act like negative vote flag or black list .. good information @abh12345
I think you spend many times to make this post!!!!
Thank you for providing us with great information on the black list
You are a really successful person
nice post
😂😂😂
:D
steemit done
it is very nice post..
Thank you for explaining about blacklist ... i have been seens some of them who had just blacklisted some people also had given flag and negative vote in the same time i see steemcleaner doing it .. they doing to get rid of spam can understand the policy @abh12345
You have summed up beautifully the very important issue which is being practiced on the platform. I am wondering if such big whales are on the list then its alarming for minnows like me.
I agree and support your point of view that everyone has a fair chance of getting named in this list. But lets hope for the best for everyone.
nice thanks for sharing these lists of people who are blacklisted....
Very informative post sir:) nothing to say about this blog sir. Thanks for sharing with us
@upvoted
What does blacklist do??
The post should help? That's all I know!
with the 40 STEEM ransom the black list sounds like black mail.
it's a scam.
Could be, got any evidencedmickey?
oh i dunno
I'll have to have a talk with Carl
😂
✌🏽 Out Carl!
@blacklist is doing a great work. as cheaters, hate speeches, plagiarism self up voting should not be allowed. It is necessary to cope reward pool abuser, but blacklist should take action against the culprit only. Thanks @abh12345 for sharing the valuable information about blacklist. keep sharing
This poses a lot more questions than we have answers for. More digging required...
This is getting confusing, back and forth, on a ph screen. @patrice has just a few hours ago commented as if she is @steemcleaners. That comment showed she had not read my blog, but just one post. From comments by @steemcleaners @cheetah put me on her blacklist and as far as i can tell, also has not researched her actions or moronic wording. I found out about this when one of my followers told me I'd lost my reputation. I had no idea I had one. Like the money it doesn't figure in why or what I post. Told where to check I did see that the numbers had fallen drastically. At the same time over this last week my number of followers has increased. Go figure. Who decides I have reputation. Is it decided by number of comment/replies ? So, how can an 'authority' of which I'm totally unaware, without querying me about anything, decide arbitrarily to reduce my reputation and put on automatic, comments to every single post of mine - across comment which has nothing to do with the post to which attached. They, say, this is not etiquette, but they then do it for their purposes. I tapped these 'robots', and those sites have NIL informative or entertaining posts, just denigrating ones. This attitude of robot drivers, who will not enter public forum, but invite me to complicated sites I don't know how to reach, to have 'private' discourse, is moronic, and shows that they have not thought out the position of robot sites within a human environment. I believe no robot should be allowed to post anything but an enquiry to 'please explain this similarity', and the reply to that should be open, on the site, for forum discussion, like adults. I went to one driver's site also, and it had fewer personal posts in the last two months than I did, even if you don't count my posts of 85 year old. So who is taking it upon themselves to pick on newbies, that have many years more life, real life, experience and don't even know how to manipulate a cpu? 😂 They, bring steemit into disrepute. Look at the comments and replies #0253 with @logic And @amariespeaks, and other #s this past week or so. If you have a robot or at least several screens and some time, you might check my posts all the way back to 15/12/17. I do explain, I do refer, and apart from some comments to robots, most of my replies are generally more informative than short - praise, like, etc
I also believe, from the lack of comments from followers, that this issue frightens many who are not financially set, to stand up to this type of bullying. If I knew how, I'd give you my money, but I don't know how, or even if 'authorities' have diminished it in ways I have no understanding of. The idea that steemit might grow a crypto currency is a fine idea, but with reputation thieves and liars who cannot even use Pythagorean logic, or research that which they would close down, I think this blockchain cannot rely on adult behaviour of and for community. If the robots were conditioned correctly to interact with www. and their driver's, and not with the community, then they could very well be an extremely useful tool. Now they are used as a weapon of terrorism. I have suggested an index to archives, and I believe a robot app for internal library use would greatly enhance all community members, giving all newbies access readily to past posts on 'how to', and with adjustments might even allow such old posts a 0.00001 vote. The index might be in divisions and sub-divisions and classes. By this I mean not that tags aren't useful but cross-ref to words within posts would be very beneficial for info' researchers. ~ a photo of a cat might bring up 1000, another fine tune then reduces it to those with blog, a further tweak reduces it to ginger cat, and so on ~ You can see that such a division would immediately cut from library all short - I like that - post replies; and photos divide into just photos or photos with text longer than say forty characters. Well, an idea from an old man, but you geniuses with the hexagrams can work out better how to separate info' from greetings, thanks, and, give me-give me-up votes. 😉
OK, I can waffle.
May the blessings be.
Keep on keeping on. 😇
• addendum - I just checked @cheetah wallet. For denigrating and terrorising and bullying it has a wallet with almost $9,000. It should be fined if found to have not got it right. It's nasty. It has only denigrating copy/paste remarks, and NIL original personal posts. The robot might do a job, but should not be paid for being moronic, only After human discussion and debate, not before, leaving newbies guilty until proven innocent. 😡
this is very aggravting to say the least @simon62. I hope @abh12345 will have some insight into this problem and maybe an idea on a solution! Keep Steemin' my friend!
Hi :)
I have offered advice, and i'm afraid there is not a lot I, or anyone else can do here.
Have a great weekend!
thanks @abh12345 ! I appreciate you trying to help out
Hi @simon62
I'm sorry but I cannot offer any more advice than I have already. I have no part in what any of the accounts above say or do.
I suggest a new account, and to try to avoid copy/pasting too much text from elsewhere.
Thank-you. I appreciate the reply. Please think on all other points that I mentioned. I do believe steemit will expand exponentially and such hiccups as these thieves are presenting, will become community issues and eventually get sorted. I have every intention of holding to my course. No-one has, as yet, given me any viable reason to discontinue from honouring OUR dead. The selection from the people's encyclopaedia, EWUE, will be over soon enough. I had no intention to type out the whole book, but just those sections that bear upon our history and continuance. Posts by the people, for the people. It's actually funny in that one copy/paste from a thieving robot tells readers to be cautious, and at the bottom of the post to which it is attached is my ~ Warning Note, that these posts are not advisory, but 85 years old info', and reader's use on own responsibility. 😆 doh!
Thank-you @amariespeaks & @abh12345, Thank-you @steemcleaners and @cheetah for so obviously showing yourselves up. Thank-you all my readers off-site, for your messenger and txt support.
May the blessings be.
Keep on keeping on. 😇